Dr. William Wong is a PhD, Classical Naturopath, Exercise Physiologist, Sports Medicine Trainer, he’s been inducted into the Martial Arts Hall of Fame and a bunch more. With over 27 years of professional experience, he’s been a leader in the use of systemic enzyme therapy, anti-aging and pro-sexuality topics.
- The 4-6 Proteolytic Enzymes that Spark 25000-30000 Enzymatic Reactions and why Digestion is the last part of Enzyme Work
- The Dangers of COX-1 and COX-2 Drugs
- How to Fight Fibrosis (aka Scar Tissue and Hardening)
- The Natural Non-Supplemental Way to Get Systemic Enzymes (and why this is Tough to do in Modern Day Life)
- All Vitamins and Minerals are Co-Enzymes meaning You Need Enzymes for Them to Work
- An Old Pharmacist Trick using Enzymes for Greater Absorption by 50% of Any Medicine
- The Difference between Androgenic and Anabolic
- How Estrogen Increases Prolactin which Antagonizes Dopamine
- The Passion Connection Gained from Witnessing Horny 80 Year Old Parkinson’s Patients
- How you can Change the Half-Life of Nitric Oxide from 3 Seconds to 3 Minutes
- The Importance of Testosterone Replacement for Women, and the Lowering of Estrogen
- Why Vitex (Chaste Berry) doesn’t Work
- And Much More
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Logan: Welcome to the Vital Way podcast. I’m Logan Christopher here with Superman Herbs and I’m very excited for the call today. Today, we have Dr. William Wong. He has a PhD in Classical Naturopath and Exercise Physiology, a sports medicine trainer. He was been inducted into the Martial Arts Hall of Fame and a whole bunch more. He has over 27 years of professional experience and is a leader in the use of systemic enzyme therapy. Today, we’re going to be talking about some anti-aging and pro-sexual topics. Thanks for doing this, Dr. Wong.
Dr. Wong: You’re very welcome. Thank you for having me onboard.
Logan: Absolutely. I was just going through your website, collecting some of the information for the bio and it was interesting. One of the questions there, “What is the difference between a classical naturopath and a naturopathic physician?”
Dr. Wong: Naturopathic physicians use surgery and sometimes prescribe drugs. They have prescriptive authority in whatever states they are licensed in. Classical naturopaths stay away from the drugs and while minor and/or official surgery has always been part of naturopathic, we don’t do anything more than maybe remove a mold or whatever else while naturopaths have gotten into delivering babies, doing C-sections and a few other things in certain states, especially in Oregon. That was not really part of naturopathic practice when it was conceived by Dr. Lust.
Logan: Very interesting. So it’s much more of a full-on natural approach.
Dr. Wong: Yeah, and it’s a philosophical split and a philosophical split we see in chiropractic between the straight chiropractors and the whole spine chiropractors. Various different health professions actually commit suicide because they turn into religions and sort of kind of get philosophically alienated from one another. We all forget that basically we’re talking about the same thing. We differ around the edges and there’s a lot of bad blood between the traditional naturopaths and the naturopathic physicians. But overall, we’re talking the same thing. We just differ around the edges.
Logan: Right. We’re all trying to help people get healthier, right?
Dr. Wong: Exactly.
Logan: Okay. Well the first time I ever heard about you was with the idea of systemic enzymes and I’d like to go into detail on that a little bit. Can you tell people what those are and why they’re so important for health?
Dr. Wong: Sure. Enzymes are bio-catalysts. They are things that help other things to work. We make about four to six different proteolytic, “protein-eating” enzymes in our pancreas. Those enzymes in turn spark 25,000 to 35,000 different enzymatic reactions that speed up all chemistry. Chemical reactions wok very, very slowly. Everything we do inside of us to keep us going and to keep us working is a chemical reaction. For example, it would take you half an hour to bend your elbow, half an hour to do a bicep curl or maybe ten minutes to bat your eyelid if you had to blink without the enzymes. The enzymes speed up everything, all the chemical reactions and make life as we know it possible.
Now most people think of enzymes just in terms of digestion but digestion is the very last thing a proteolytic enzyme does before it gets excreted from the body. It goes into this enzymatic cascade and in general, the protein-eating enzymes have four or five different very important functions. First and foremost, they are anti-inflammatory. They eat away at inflammatory cytokines. They eat away at the CICs, the circulating immune complexes that cause inflammation. Why that’s important is because the other two mechanisms for controlling inflammation via the use of corticosteroids, that has severe side effects or via the use of a non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs, that can kill your kidneys, kill your liver, make your intestines bleed or likewise send you to the grave.
Typically every year since aspirin has been around, between 18,000 to 22,000 Americans died from taking aspirin, ibuprofen, naproxen, Vioxx, Celebrex, all of the COX-1 and the COX-2 inhibitors. It used to be said back in the late 1990s when the COX-2s first came out that they had no side effects. That was a lie. Either that or the eggheads who developed it didn’t know their physiology as well as they thought they did because the COX-2 drugs have turned out to be just as dangerous if not faster in being dangerous than the COX-1 drugs. When we control inflammation through eating away at what causes inflammation, it’s a heck of a lot safer than trying to make the body stop producing the inflammatory complexes.
The second thing that enzymes do and I think the important is they eat fibroses. There’s nothing on God’s green earth that eats fibrosis and scar tissue. We were all taught in Anatomy at school that fibrosis is actually what kills us. The process of dying is this – we go from irritation to inflammation, from inflammation to induration to hardening, and the hardening is due to fibroses, and then from induration to death. That’s the process of dying. We can affect the process in two different places. Via the use of systemic enzymes, we can affect it at the inflammation stage and we can affect it at the scar tissue stage.
The body as it ages lays down scar tissue in all of our internal organs, all of our hollow organs, the kidneys, the lungs all begin to fill up with scar tissue, with fibrosis. We see as we age that our joints begin to get covered with fibrosis and it limits our range of motion. As we age, our blood vessels gets clogged with fibrosis. The microcirculation gets clogged. You’re gal’s constantly saying that their feet are cold or their hands are cold. The macro-circulation, the arteries get clogged up. You have inflammation in a major blood vessel and then all of a sudden, that inflammation causes a latticework of fibrin to be laid across where the inflammation was or is and then on that latticework, on that matrix accrue the fat, the heavy metals and the calcium that we know as arterial plaque. Since fibrosis is what kills us all, if we could control the inflammation we could control the fibrosis and we’ve extended our life span.
The other things that enzymes do very well is that they act as immune modulators. If your immune system is down too far, it’ll crank it up. If your immune system is cranked up too far, it’ll help to downshift it. The enzymes act as blood cleaners. The blood gets thickened by several thing, first of all, dehydration. But in a person is not dehydrated and they have thickened blood, it’s because they have too much fibrin floating in their blood. Their adhesion molecules, there are too many of those, causing everything to be sticky. Then they have too much necrotic debris. They have too much stuff that the liver can’t deal with, dead cells and stuff that the body is trying to get rid of that the liver can’t deal with the first time the blood goes through the liver with that junk. Let’s call it garbage. It just keeps on going through until the liver can eventually use the enzymes to break it down and send it to the bowel for disposal. If we put in the enzymes then the enzymes get absorbed into the system, get absorbed into the bloodstream. The enzymes eat away at all that dead debris, saving the liver the trouble of having to deal with it because from the liver, into the bowel and boom, it goes out.
The enzymes also lyse away, eat away at the fibrin, the excesses of fibrin that cause the blood to be think. Think about this. When you’re a young person and you cut yourself, you heal that cut with a perfectly invisible scar. You can’t see where the wound was. What happens as you get older and you cut yourself? That cut gets thick because the body lays too much fibrin down because from like age 27 on, you make less and less enzymes. I’m sorry; I should have explained that to begin with.
We make a finite amount of enzymes in a lifetime. We use half of them up by the time we’re 25. By the time we’re 27, our body figures out that if we keep up at this rate, we will be dead by the time we’re 40 because once you make your last drop of proteolytic enzyme, three days later you’re stone cold dead. So the body begins to dole out enzymes with an eye dropper instead of with a tablespoon like it used to, and that’s when all the aches and pains set in. Most everybody’s aches and pains set in from their old injuries between 30 and 35. Old age physiologically begins at 27. All the textbooks tell us that.
So as we lay in more fibrin, as we make more fibrin, as we have more fibrin floating around because we make less enzymes, then our wounds gets thicker, the fibrin gets deposited in our bloodstreams, in our livers, in our kidneys and so on and so forth and begins to degrade life. This is a natural process. Nature doesn’t want us to be here forever. Death and decay is actually a natural process but we want to fight it for as long as we can. Even Jack LaLanne passed away. But we want to keep it at bay for as long as we can and stay as healthy as we can for as long as we can. The enzymes are an integral part. Those five functions are key to maintaining a longer, healthier life. It won’t keep you alive forever but you will be healthier, stronger and much more able for longer in your existence.
Logan: Right. You mentioned these are different than digestive enzymes which I’m sure more people are familiar with. If I was taking the systemic enzymes in a supplemental form, which we can talk about as well, is there a way to get them from your diet or anything like or is it only in the supplemental way that it can really achieve the sort of benefits?
Dr. Wong: If you had the ability to do What Dr. Patricia Bragg does—Dr. Bragg’s a friend of mine—every morning she goes out to her garden whether she is here in the States, Down Under or in Hawaii and picks the fruits and vegetables she’s going to have for breakfast. She picks them and eats them right there. She’s getting the enzymes. I’ll give you an example. You pick an orange from a tree. The second you pick the orange, it’s got 100% of the enzymes alive that you will find in an orange. Put that orange on the kitchen counter for half an hour, 30 minutes, and the enzyme level has died off to 50%. So since most of us get food that has been in cold storage, transported from God knows where, when it’s not in season here it comes from the southern hemisphere so it’s been in argon gas and cold storage, transported several thousand miles, is there any life left in that food at all? Even if it’s organic, are there any enzymes left there at all? The answer is no. So if you could fresh pick your food and eat it instantly, yes, you’d get a good bit of the enzymes. The rest of us have to supplement.
Logan: What about fermented foods because I know those have enzymes in it and many of those, they should still be living, right?
Dr. Wong: Yes, the enzymes in soy sauce, the enzymes in the fermented foods, those are good. But let’s say you’ve taken antibiotics and you’ve got a yeast infection. You tried to undo the yeast infection just by eating yoghurt. You can’t eat enough yoghurt to get enough probiotics to undo the yeast infection because there’s just not enough probiotics in the food to fight off the yeast infection and to recolonize you with good bacteria. You’ve got to take extra. You’ve got to mega dose which means you’ve got to supplement. Likewise, we can eat the miso. We can eat the soy sauce. We could eat all the foods that have the enzymes in them but after 40, it ain’t enough.
Logan: Okay. That’s really good to know. Our systemic enzymes, would you say that’s your number one recommended thing for the vast majority of people out there?
Dr. Wong: Well yeah. This is one thing I didn’t touch on. All vitamins and minerals are co-enzymes. They don’t work unless you’ve got the enzymes in there. Why do some people do so well on vitamins and mineral supplementations while some folks don’t get squat? Now we know that there are a lot of products out there that don’t have anything in them. Unfortunately, the industry is really nasty. There are some pretty nasty people in the nutrition industry, as I’m sure you’ve met some, and they’re lying on their label and they haven’t been caught yet. But there really are a good number of folks out there who get nothing from the vitamin and mineral supplementation and the reason for that is since all vitamins and minerals are co-enzymes and co-factors they need the proteolytic enzymes in there first so that the enzymes can help them act and complete the chain, so to speak, to get the reaction needed to have the vitamin actually do something.
Logan: Right. Okay, that makes a lot of sense. If you take enzymes, you get more of these enzymes then any of the other supplements you take, your body is going to be better able to utilize them.
Dr. Wong: Exactly.
Logan: You can even use them at all
Dr. Wong: Right. Now one other thing over and above actual biochemical function, anything taken at the same time with a proteolytic enzyme, for example if you take a teaspoon of herbs and an enzyme capsule, anything taken with a proteolytic enzyme is increased in absorption by at least 50%. This is an old pharmacological trick back in the 1930s and ‘40s. Docs used to do this all the time. You’d mix a medicine with an enzyme and its absorption would be increased and you could actually lower the dose of a medicine because you’re getting more of it in. The Germans, the Japanese and the Indians still do this with their antibiotics. They mix their antibiotics with ser peptidase or with pancreatin to improve absorption and it works marvelously.
Logan: Very cool. I’m definitely going to have to try that out. I’d like to switch gears a little bit. One of the reasons I was excited to get you on the call, I was listening to a different interview with you a little while ago with Mike Mahler. You guys were talking about male hormone health, specifically erections and sexual function. I’ve been playing around with this idea in my mind like obviously we know that testosterone is an important part but in order to have erections, there are a couple of different aspects and you basically just laid it out on the line as four components that really need to be good. You need to testosterone, you need the dopamine, you need nitric oxide and then PDE5 which is another enzyme needs to be inhibited. Can you go into a little more detail on how you can it and how it all works?
Dr. Wong: Sure. We’ve hit upon this piecemeal. The pro-testosterone movement started in the late ‘90s with a hell of a lot resistance from medicine, even from some docs in anti-aging because of all the scare tactics that other folks had put in about anabolic steroids. Folks didn’t really realize that anabolic steroids and testosterone are very, very different. Basically, an anabolic steroid has half of the testosterone function. It is purely anabolic. It is not androgenic. When we take testosterone, most of us, yeah, the anabolic function is really cool. I get to maintain my body easier but we want the sexual function thing. That’s what we’re looking for. We want to have woodies again. We want to wake up in the morning with an erection. We want to be able to make love whenever we want to.
So we all started off thinking, yeah, we put in the testosterone; the erections will happen. Well, it did for some guys and didn’t for others. Then we started looking at what else is necessary to have an erection and we started noticing that lots of men over the age of 40 had a lot of prolactin in them. We started scratching our heads. Wait, men don’t breastfeed. Where is the prolactin coming from? Well, prolactin’s coming from having too much estrogen because most men over 40 or 45 have more estrogen in them than their wives do. So whenever there’s an elevation in estrogen, there’s an elevation in prolactin. The two go together. But prolactin is the antagonist to dopamine. Uh-oh. Okay, there’s the key. Dopamine causes passion.
I tell a story that anyone who has ever been, especially in an old-fashioned, back when I went to school, back in the ‘70s and ‘80s, if you walked into a Parkinson’s ward in a hospital where they were giving the patients dopamine, you’d see all the 70- or 80-year old women trying to seduce the male nurses and you’d see the 70- or 80-year old men walking around in their hospital gowns with huge erections because the dopamine made them horny as hell. That’s the function of dopamine. When you’re a teenager and you see a pretty girl in a bikini walk by and you get a boner—bang, that’s dopamine. That’s partially testosterone but it’s mainly dopamine. So dopamine is the hormone of desire. Okay, so then we put that component in.
When they were figuring out how to bring more blood supply to the brains of Alzheimer’s patients, they hit upon the fact that PDE5 kills nitric oxide. They wanted to open up the blood vessels of Alzheimer’s patients and get more blood in so they developed drugs like Viagra, Cialis and Levitra, thinking that they’d use it on Alzheimer’s patients. Well, they tested it with the Alzheimer’s patients and these guys all got really good erections. They said wait a minute, there’s more money in this than there was in treating Alzheimer’s patients so they switched gears. They’ve just recently gone back to giving that stuff to Alzheimer’s patients.
Then we got on the fact that we needed not only the nitric oxide which promote vasodilation which brings the blood in to the corpus cavernosum and the corpus spongiosum of the penis but we hit upon the fact that again after 27—actually Charles Poliquin, the famous strength coach said that 31 is the new 50—so sometime after 30 or 35 or so, we start making a lot of PDE5 so that by the time you’re 45 to 50, you’re making so much PDE5 that you can’t get an erection because you’ve hardly got any nitric oxide. Now nitric oxide has a half-life of maybe 30 seconds. When you have a lot of PDE5, it has a half-life of maybe 3 seconds. So what if you put in the PDE5 inhibitors and give the nitric oxide a half-life of 3 minutes? Wow, then all of a sudden the world just opens up.
So it’s been piecemeal. We’ve put together all these things thinking that we had the key and each key turned out to be not a complete step but a step towards the next step. We put all these four steps together and we’ve come up with a way of getting just about anyone to have an erection. Honest.
Logan: Yeah, like nothing is as simple as just one single thing. How many of these functions are the same for women? Not everyone knows this but they have erectile tissue as well? So how do these different hormones and molecules work for women? Would you say it’s much the same thing or do we have some other—?
Dr. Wong: It is exactly the same thing but if you’ve ever seen the picture of the two stereo components, one stereo component is marked male. It’s got one light and one switch. The other stereo component is marked female. It’s got a dozen lights and ten switches. I’ll give you an example. My men’s book, Maximum Male Performance is 80 pages long. My women’s book that is on its third revision is 400 pages long. There’s so much to do in getting a gal’s hormones right. It’s practically impossible to do it right. Some guys, some docs get pretty darn close.
But usually after the first child or after 35, a gal becomes estrogen dominant. She has a lot of prolactin, especially after she has given birth. She’s got no testosterone. She has got no progesterone. She has no desire. It’s “Don’t touch me. Get away from me. You did this to me. I don’t want to do this again.” Her sex life goes right out of the window and they will admit it to you, “I don’t want to anymore. Yeah, I was really horny two years ago. Then we had a baby. Then all of a sudden, I can’t even think of sex.” And it’s because of the fluctuation in the hormones. With gals, it happens a lot sooner than with guys. With guys, most of this tends to gradually set in somewhere after 35 so that by the time we hit andropause at 45 or 50, it has completely set in. But with women, like I said, it usually happens either after they had their first child, certainly after the second or by 35 if they don’t have kids.
Logan: Okay. That brings up an interesting subject. For women with a lot more complex hormones, one thing I’ve been reading about researching lately based on hearing some women getting great results with our pine pollen and especially even the pine pollen tincture which originally when I heard about it being an androgenic substance was only recommended for men. But some women are getting great results and you just mentioned that a lot of these women, their testosterone is down the tube. Do you recommend testosterone supplementation for men and women?
Dr. Wong: Oh gosh, yes, even testosterone implants. I’ve seen gals who are in their mid to late 60s who have chronic fatigue and fibromyalgia. I’m thinking of one gal in particular here but she’s the sterling example. Other patients were like her. She had horses she couldn’t care tend to. She couldn’t care less. She’d do whatever. She want to an anti-aging doc, got her testosterone implants and got her progesterone elevated. They worked to bring down her estrogen and all of a sudden she was raping her husband and cleaning the horse stalls by herself. She had the energy. She had the power. She said she was 20 years old all over again.
So yes, women need testosterone. Women desperately need testosterone but we also need to get rid of the prolactin and we need to lower the estrogen levels. Estrogen levels need to be typically in the single to low double digit range. I have dealt with women who have four-digit estrogen levels and zero digit progesterone levels and not only are they the most difficult women to deal with but they are bitchy as hell. Not a kind word will ever come out of those gals’ mouths because their hormones won’t let them.
Logan: Well, that’s very fascinating stuff. I’m curious. Besides the enzymes we’ve talked about, what are some of your favorite herbal supplements as well? I know there are other supplements.
Dr. Wong: Oh gosh, I’ve got a bunch of favorite herbs and looking over your products, you’ve got a bunch of my favorite herbs in your products. Years ago, I tried putting together the schisandra, the horny goat weed, the Polygonum multiflorum, maca and a few other things into a Chinese medicine concoction. People almost choked because it tasted awful. I mixed it with vodka and I let it sit for a year, shook it every day and whatever but dang if it didn’t work.
So all of the pro-testosterone herbs, all of the androgenic herbs are wonderful. All of the herbs like the chrysin, the Pygeum africanus and the other herbs that control estrogen, that lower estrogen levels which also lowers prolactin levels are wonderful. Mucuna is wonderful for elevating dopamine which again lowers prolactin. So there are a bunch of herbs out there that are fantastic both for anti-aging, for athleticism and for giving you back energy.
Now I’ve been at this crazy game now, I’d say I got my naturopathic degree in ’81 so I’ve been at this for over 30 years. I was in sports med before that. I’ve noticed all of the western herbs are yin. In western herbology, there seems to be only yin herbs, only herbs that we would call in Chinese medicine feminine herbs and they’re meant to modify, they’re meant to do this. Even the herbs like Vitex that are supposed to create progesterone really don’t when you feed that to a patient and you take the blood test and do whatever and you test for progesterone, you’re only making estrogen. I’ve done that with enough patients that I know that Vitex does not work. When we combine what’s known in western herbology with Indian and Chinese herbology, all of a sudden the world opens up because they have yang herbs that we can combine with the yin herbs to balance things off and make a preparation that will act like a rocket fuel without making you burn out.
Logan: That’s definitely fascinating, just seeing the different medicine systems from around the world and all the different herbs in them. That’s the great thing about today. We can take an herb from China, one from India and one from down in Brazil and a western herb and put it all together and like you said, it can be rocket fuel.
Dr. Wong: Exactly. Now some of those Brazilian herbs are really amazing. Holy cow! Gosh, I like this.
Logan: It’s so much fun just to try this stuff out.
Dr. Wong: It is. Years ago I remember first learning about a particular herb. I don’t even remember what it was now because I stopped trying it but we got as many samples from raw material suppliers as we could find. I was eating this stuff by the tablespoon. It was like six or seven tablespoons a day and nothing happened. I went, so what’s the fuss about this thing? So we dropped the use of that and found another that I tried. A few slices here and there and make it a tincture and wow, that works well! So experimenting gets to be really fun.
Logan: Yup. That’s the thing. Everyone’s individual and because it’s all these complex parts that we’ve talked about, one hormone can be too high and another one is too low so you have to find out individually what’s going to work well for you.
Dr. Wong: Exactly.
Logan: Obviously, doing the testing and all that talking to a knowledgeable doctor is going to be a big help along those lines.
Dr. Wong: Yes.
Logan: So we could definitely keep going on and maybe in the future I can have you back on and we can dive into more detail in the different areas.
Dr. Wong: I’d love to come back.
Logan: Great. Can you tell people where they can find out more about you? You mentioned your books as well as you have a line of supplements as well with the great herbs and enzymes.
Dr. Wong: Our supplements can be found at DocsPrefer.com. My rantings, ravings and lectures can be listened to at DrWongRadio.com and if you go to DrWong.us, you’ll see that there are about 50 to 60 articles on there on all sorts of different topics in health.
Logan: All right. Well, thank you so much for doing this today, Dr. Wong.
Dr. Wong: You’re very welcome. Thank you for having me onboard.
Logan: Absolutely. Thanks everyone for listening.[/spoiler]