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Considering that’s our #1 and #2 bestsellers, why am I stating this blasphemy?
Well, to be honest, they’re too strong for me. Let me explain the pros and cons of these supplements…
I’m coming up on my 31st birthday in a couple of weeks. Although it’s been a while since I did blood or saliva testing so I don’t know exact numbers, I feel like my testosterone and other sex hormones are running just fine.
Sadly, this wasn’t always the case. As I’ve mentioned before I believe I was born with less testosterone than most and lived with that up through puberty and my 20’s.
When I first started using pine pollen, and later tongkat ali, wow! The effects were huge (pun intended).
And I continually worked on cleaning up my diet, handling stress better, doing more effective workouts and otherwise living a masculine life.
I feel like these two herbs were useful in resetting my hormones at a new higher level.
A common question I get asked is if you’d have to use the herbs for life, just like with TRT. In my experience, the answer is no. The intelligence of the herbs (i.e. the whole array of active constituents and nutrition) appears to be able to help get things back to optimal.
Again, this is my opinion and there are no scientific studies on this particular idea.
So if I stay on top of my regular routine I don’t need this level of hormonal support. That being so, I feel that pine pollen and tongkat ali are more than I need right now, personally.
Having my sex drive in OVERdrive is something that I only want sometimes, otherwise, too much libido can be distracting. 😉
I take them every once in a while when I feel I need a boost, but I do not take them regularly, and never together, instead of using many other herbs. I rely more on daily staples like he shou wu and shilajit. And then I’m always experimenting with others on top of that.
This is why we always talk about the pros and cons of supplements and the need to individualize your herbal program.
Lots of people do need the help that pine pollen and/or Tongkat can deliver. You may be one of them. You may not.
And that may change over time as your circumstances change too.
Logan Christopher
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Francis D. Hodge says
Logan Christopher
I take them every once in a while when I feel I need a boost, but I do not take them regularly, and never together,
Zane Christopher
Also, I tell people to take the herbs together because it is easier for people to remember to do it.
https://lostempireherbs.com/dont-take-tongkat-pine-pollen/
Thomas says
If you have ever experienced. How would one compare butea superba with tongkat ali?
Logan Christopher says
Do not have experience with that herb, though I’ve heard of it. So can’t compare.
Dee says
If you had to choose one between Pine Pollen and Tongkat Ali which one would it be and why over the other?
Logan Christopher says
Good question. It would depend on some factors as for the individual person. Overall, it’s a tough choice. But if I had to choose I would go with pine pollen because you have the powder and tincture forms which both work, though differently.
Nash says
Hey how did Tongkat, Pine Pollen, he shou wu and shilajit work on your cognition, memory power, concentration and alertness. Was there any improvements? Pls elaborate individually:)
Thanks
Logan Christopher says
Can’t say that I’ve seen noticeable differences in most of those herbs in the areas you described, except for shilajit. There can be a definite change in concentraton and alertness on that one. Still, my favorite for those areas is bacopa.
Brennen says
Hello
Would you be able to tell me how you used pine pollen and tongkat ali. Did you use them on the same day? I have pine pollen powder, tincture and am planning on getting tongkat ali soon. Ideally i would like to have three or four herbs to use to maximize testosterone and libido. Can you give me a base routine to start, when to take, how many times, together or seperate and then i can go from there. Also any suggestions besdes the pine pollen forms and tongkat.
Thank you!
Also if tongkat ali tincture is an option
Zane Christopher says
Hi Brennen,
Speaking from my experience, yes I have used tongkat and pine pollen in the same day. Currently I actually take a New Mexican made Pinon Pine Pollen tincture a customer sent me once daily and tongkat ali about 3-5 times a week at 150 mg a day.
I suggest starting with the minimum dosage for each. pp a couple tsp a day and tongkat 200 mg a day for 5 days on and 2 days off. After the first week, move up to a Tablespoon of pine pollen a day and same dose of tongkat and see how that treats you. I take my stuff first thing in the morning but its up to you. Taking pine pollen before bed can have rejuvenating effects for hormonal system while you sleep. Definitely don’t recommend taking tongkat in the evening though.
Also, I tell people to take the herbs together because it is easier for people to remember to do it. Consistency is key.
Hopefully this helps you out! Sorry about the late response.