Which one is right for you?
Pine pollen is best known for its hormone supporting effects. For this reason, men especially love it, although its great for women too.
And there are some pretty big differences between the powder and the tincture forms which are discussed below.
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Quick Recap of the Benefits of Pine Pollen Powder
As a powder, you’re getting all the nutrition that pine pollen provides. This includes many vitamins, minerals, amino acids, antioxidants, and other nutrients within (like resveratrol, SOD, MSM, etc.), making it, as my brother likes to call it, “Nature‘s Multivitamin”.
In this form pine pollen can really be thought of as a food. That’s why we have the Megadose version in which you can take several tablespoons per day. In China this is a common practice and they even use it to add to flours for baking.
Pine Pollen is “Nature’s Multivitamin”
The thing about the powder is that the phytosterols or androgens, meaning the testosterone, DHEA and other hormones pine pollen contains, are said to be destroyed in the human digestive tract. Still the hormonal benefits do occur with the powder. The success of our male clients with the “Morning Wood Test” and at much else attests to this working.
Still the powder is more modulating of the hormones. In this form there is almost no chance it could increase your hormones to unsafe levels. It is fine to take every single day for years if you wanted. No cycling is needed.
It is safe for women and children. And it’s great even pregnant or breastfeeding women as the original pine pollen baby can tell you. (After all the importance of good nutrition is even more important at these stages.)
Quick Recap of the Benefits of Pine Pollen Tincture
When you tincture pine pollen you have something quite different. The alcohol draws out the phyto-androgens, concentrating them. Other components will come along too, but not everything that is found in the powder.
By squirting the alcohol tincture in your mouth, the hormones can immediately enter your blood stream. No digestive tract to get past, thus they’re available right away in your system.
With the tincture it is better to think of this as boosting your hormones. And on that note this could likely be overdone. Its still nothing like shooting up with steroids, but if a person downed a bottle of tincture it would probably have some side effects.
For this reason pine pollen tinctures are generally only recommended for men over the age of 30. Anyone younger than that should be just fine hormonally although this day and age with all the environmental pollutants, I can’t say that’s necessarily the case. For instance I’m 29 and have used pine pollen tinctures off and on over the past couple of years. But anyone under 20 definitely should avoid them. That means no children at all.
Although they’re not generally recommended for women, a few women have used pine pollen tinctures and reported great benefit. You’ll have to make the choice for yourself. Definitely not for pregnant or lactating mothers.
In addition, it is best to cycle pine pollen tincture. Some people like to take it four or five days a week while taking a break the rest. Others will take it for a month then give it a week off. Or just a random approach, taking it every once in awhile. Any of these options and many others are fine. It’s just not something you want to be on forever.
Also, some people are sensitive to alcohol. A way to get around this, while still getting the tincture benefits, is to squirt it into a very hot liquid. The alcohol has a lower boiling point than water so it will evaporate while leaving behind the components.
Combining the Powder and Tincture
The tincture boosts hormones. The powder modulates them. What follows it a bit of a theory though we’ve heard favorable results from customers already. By taking the two together you have the boosting effects, but also with all the other nutrition and the intelligence of the pine pollen you get in the powder which along with that.
Overall, this seems to give more holistic results while achieving the great hormonal benefits many men describe. For this reason, we’ve put together a special Men’s Hormone Package which includes both, and the addition of nettle root.
If you have any other questions be sure to ask below.
(There is another method that we’re currently in the experimental stages with. In a tincture after the alcohol has drawn out the components for a couple weeks, the powder that is left is usually discarded. But using a Spagyric or alchemical process this powder can still be used through calcining it then being added back in. This results in the whole plant being available in a tinctured form, called a Spagyric tincture. We’ll have more updates on the process in the future. And if that all just went over your head, don’t worry about it, just thought I’d share it for some of the advanced readers to fill them in.)
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I am taking pine pollen and Tongkat Ali I got from you guys and the tincture I made myself over the last 2 months (which could be very strong) but I am 100% positive it has caused suppression at least in me. The boys are noticeably smaller. My wife even mentioned it. The only thing I can contribute this to is that my E2 went too high as I may have gotten a bit carried away and did a whole and a half of a dropper before bed a few nights ago. Now I have zero sex drive. But I am holding on to muscle well and lost body fat. So I am stumped. I know it says it won’t shut you down I don’t think this is correct for the tincture. I think if you let your test get too high it will convert over to e2 (and I wasn’t using anything to control estrogen outside of a little resveratrol which isn’t a strong AI) and e2 will shut you down or suppress you. It is the most suppressive hormone in the male body to test production. I stopped the tincture and have been using just your tongkat Ali.
I think it makes sense since phytoestrogens can lower test, phytoandrogens can push you over the limit which aromatizes and shuts you down. Now to try and get the boys turned back on. ugh
Sorry to hear that Christopher. That is a huge bummer. I suppose in tincture form herbs can more easily be overused to where they might have negative side effects. A customer had this theory concerning pp tinctures.
Just to warn others the tincture (awaiting bloods in a few weeks) if you take too much it will certainly put you over physiological limits (IF) you are already pretty high.
Thing is some men specifically as they age once they reach a specific limit in their levels they start to compound and aromatize T into E a lot faster than if their numbers were in the 700s.
Essentially if somebody does well at 750 and they get boosted to 900 too fast, they will be converting T to E very fast, and that excess E doesn’t get metabolized as quickly or controlled will almost certainly cause suppression and side effects.
This may be the very reason why some guys lose morning erections etc.
Anyhow I will continue to buy from Lost Empire as I think you guys have great stuff.
We definitely recommend cycling the Tongkat Ali as it is very powerful and has diminishing returns. Many guys are looking to boost their T
and that is all they are looking to do. This is not very smart when the body is so interconnected. We wish to push for balance, whether that is low T for some or high T for others. Herbs are just one possible component of increasing testosterone but like anything and a balance must be found.
I am sure you do plenty of other stuff to increase your levels but yeah, there is still such a thing as too much too late. Personally, I have found that we may need to reduce dosage size for some of the male herbs as people seem to be over doing it. I only take one spoonful of Tongkat Ali bi-weekly with a tablespoon or two of pine pollen on the days I don’t take Tongkat. I also take two days off a week. Learning to find your happy zone (usually lower than what we think we need) is a constant work in progress.
Opposite that is learning to balance the hot properties of these sex hormone herbs with herbs that nurture the base. Yin herbs like Rehmannia, Pearl powder, Gotu Kola, etc. help balance the body out. Adaptogens can also help the body deal with the expanding nature of pine pollen tincture and Tongkat Ali. Personally, I believe that our ashwagandha tincture, super balanced in itself, is the reason my t levels are doing so good. I take this every single day once or twice a day. We have someone doing bloodwork working with the ash tincture that will be writing an article soon which may bear this out.
Let us know what’s up with your blood tests when you get them, Christopher!
What is the best time of day to use pp tincture????how many droppers a day?????? How many times a day??????
You can take it whenever you like, like in the morning and before a workout. The recommended pine pollen tincture dosage is 1/2 to 1 droppers two times per day.
That’s gonna depend to a large degree on the person. One way to take it is to try and mirror the natural testosterone cycles in a day. This means you would take it first thing in the morning, around noon and before bed. In general, you could start doing that with half a dropper a day and go up to a full dropper for each. I personally just do a dropper full in the morning and one before I go to bed.
There is also the option of putting some on your scrotum. This actually works as far as we can tell. The skin being so sensitive in that area it is easy absorbed there. Can’t be sure about the mechanism of how it works but I’ve had personal success with it. My method was putting it on before going to bed. Sometimes it can burn a little from the alcohol but the new stuff we are getting next month didn’t have that effect on me.
Hope this helped!
Hey there, I got some questions.
I bought the 50 gram pine pollen and I decided to make my own tincture, I used everclear (its burning the hell outta my mouth) im curious to how long this should last me? because it seems like theres only enough to last me a few weeks if that im not sure if I didn’t use enough alcohol or what. I let it sit for 2 weeks and mixed it quite well. also how much should I use in each dropper? im not sure if I should fill the dropper up each time or half or what, I been filling it up just a little and doing that 3 times a day. and last, is this considered a prohormone? since the androgens in it…also I do feel quite good taking this so far, so my hopes are high
Hey Tyler, good on you for making your own tincture! So yeah, everclear is harsh for pollen. I definitely recommend cutting it with some water. This will not only help you consume it but will increase the amount so should last you longer. Many people recommend consuming 1:2 or even 1:4 for personal use. I would add the same amount of water as you have alcohol but you could always do less to keep the potency higher. Up to you! If you do cut it with water you can increase the dose to compensate. Personally, I recommend people build up to a full dropper 1-3 times a day.
Yeah, you could call it a prohormone but it also does have hormones as well. So its both. Hope that helps!
Hi Tyler, good work on trying the tincturing yourself. How long it lasts you will depend on how much alcohol you use with the product and how much you take daily. A ratio of 1:1 (1 part pollen to 1 part alcohol) is gonna give you less then doing a 1:2 (double the alcohol) amount but will be stronger medicinally. Everclear is really corrosive stuff and while it will definitely pull androgens out faster cause of the high alcohol content, you could probably use a 40% vodka and get similar results. Pine pollen isn’t as tough as roots where such a high alcohol content is more advisable because of all the fiber it must break through.
If you want, you could also add some water to the mixture, reducing the ratio while tempering down the burning caused by the alcohol. You could then just take more to compensate for the watered down effect. When I take pp tincture I usually do a couple full droppers a day. You really just have to find what works best for you though.
And I am not sure if its considered a prohormone, there is technically suppose to be testosterone and other hormones in it along with stuff you could call prohormones. Unfortunately, no one tests for hormones in foods or supplements that we know of. I’ve been looking for a couple years now cause we want to verify this really important aspect of pp tincturing but alas, have found no organizations that do this testing.
Hope this helps! Glad the stuff is working for you so far!
what are your thoughts on flavouring the tincture with marshmallow or liquorice root?
Don’t see why not. Supporting herbs would invariably have a synergistic effect. And the pine pollen would help balance out any pro-estrogen effects the liquorice root might have.
Well, I never took the 3 tablespoons at bedtime to see if what was said about it causing morning wood; but after being off of TRT since 1 April, 2016 and NO morning wood, I’m now getting morning wood since I’ve started pine pollen powder at 3 tablespoons per day. I am happy to report morning wood has returned as of this week, frequently! Now, I’m hoping for some of those erections during the day when my mind ventures that way!!! At 58, 6 feet tall, 270 pounds, and a diabetic … I AM VERY PLEASED.
As you know, men, as they age have that EGO PROBLEM. Take my leg or arm, but not my erection!!!!! Problem number one is fixed: Morning erections. With that being said, I’d be curious to know if there were any other advice as to what to combine with pine pollen that will help me crave sex more often. Problem number one is fixed: Morning erections.
I sure hope the effects of pine pollen doesn’t lose its mojo with time! To be continued …
Thanks one! Thanks all!
I am glad to hear that Pine Pollen powder worked so well for you.
We’re currently having a sale for Horny Goat Weed with coupon code HORNYGOATWEEK for 20% off, but you might also want to try Tongkat Ali to restore the libido to a more vigorous level. If you do decide to take Tongkat Ali, Horny Goat Weed or even Pine Pollen Tincture, it would be wise to cycle it 5 days on and 2 off.
How can I get the pine pollen spargyric tincture did not see it on your product list
It’s available on this page – https://lostempireherbs.com/product/pine-pollen-tincture/
Hi… I’m 45 yrs old. Seem to have totally lost my libido…hardly any erections… PE…& no morning wood at all.
What’ll work for me..?
Regards.
Nothing works for everyone and there are many factors to consider, especially for someone as young as you are. I’d read this article first and take it from there – https://lostempireherbs.com/erectile-dysfunction/
Mega dosages Pine Pollen, Doctors Best L Arginine D Aspartic acid Tribulis Terrestris, L Citrulline works like Cialis. Resistance exercises promote high T Levels.
63 years old. Elliptical level 25
17 flights of stairs. 25 minutes of short but intense work out does it.
Can I take pine pollen tincture, TKA and nettle root before bed to increase my wood in the morning?
Yes give it a try.
Hey Im a 21 year old bodybuilder and am very interested in using the tincture instead of going to the dark side (synthetic hormones)
But Im worried about wrecking my naturally occurring testosterone levels, wich can happen when taking steroids.
Is this a possibility?
I can’t find any information on this.
Thanks a ton.
In our view, with something natural, especially since it is very minimal amounts of testosterone, it isn’t likely to cause permanent issues. Personally, I felt like using it helped me to get to a place where my testosterone is better without it. Still to be safe we do recommend cycling with the stronger herbs like the pine pollen tincture.
dear sir I am 50 yr old tried many supplements without any success ie zma capsules,d-aspartic acid alomg with nettle root extract for estrogen issues jelqing excercises,wear a blakoe ball zinger ring nightly,eat a testosterone diet regularly,i exercise hiit but not regularly,i have an enlarged prostate for the last 7 yrs,also have a right sided testicle cyst & have had left sided varicoceles since my teenage days,on no meds atall,im considering the full package of lost empire herbs to cycle or considering to try either the powder form or tincture form of pine pollen?,my greatest benegit only ive had recently that got me pleasantly surprised was using an aneros helix prostate massager of which on occasions I just rode the waves of euphorie when they came,just looking for a boost in my sex drive as I am getting on & it is non existent ie very rarely morning wood, no lobido atall,i think it is caused by a backflow of free testosterone circulating normal pathways rather than being backflowed because of gravity to my prostate causing my bph,any ideas would be most appreciated as I only can pass semen when I rarely feel horny once every month?? many thanx for reply ps sick of going to my doctor only to be prescribed trt of which I rightly refused & the endroconologist was not helpful arall,all he was offering me was trt again I point blankly refused I want to get to the root of my problem as it is destroying my life? many thanx
Hey John. All I can say is try multiple of our herbs to find what works for you. I would recommend trying pine pollen powder, pine pollen tincture, tongkat ali. Also you might try out nettle root, as I can’t speak to the quality of the one that you did try. I can’t guarantee all of those will work, but that’s why we offer a money back guarantee.
I took the pine polen tincture. It did nothing for me no erection , no morning wood as you stated. is this product for everyone. how long should i tae it to feel the effect.
Pete,
this is different for everyone, but it usually happens in first 2 weeks.
Unfortunately nothing works for everyone. If it didn’t work for you, feel free to take us up on our 365-day return policy and you’ll receive a full refund.
I am 49 years old.
I just ordered Thorn’s Hammer along with the Pine Pollen package.
How should I be cycling this combo? Thinking of 5 days on and 2 days off with Thorn and Tincture. Pine Pollen every day.
Thanks
That sounds about right for Pine Pollen powder and tincture, but the recommended for Thor’s hammer is 1 tablespoon 30-60 minutes before sex or other physical activities, which means you don’t have to take it every day for it to work.
just received my pine powder but am wondering what the nettle root is all about,,,, is there a need to take it if you are on pine powder or the tincture???
Tim, it’s definitely not necessary to use nettle root along with pine pollen, but some like to take it to prevent aromatization (the conversion of testosterone into estrogen) – especially with the tincture.
Of course, nettle root comes with many other benefits which you read more about here – https://lostempireherbs.com/product/nettle-root/
Scared to death of nettle root because of the debate over its effects as a 5-alpha-reductase inhibitor. This is the kiss of death to the sex drive of someone who is sensitive to 5-AR inhibition. The whole concept of screwing around with your DHT levels is downright stupid, as elevated estrogen levels have been shown to be the devil in prostate issues.
DHT is an important male androgen. In fact, it’s the king of all androgens.
Some say Nettle is a 5-AR inhibitor and others say it works by a different mechanism. I’m afraid to roll the dice with it and find out. I never want to re-live the hell that fenugreek created for me (loss of libido, brain fog, no interest in training, no more ability to get pumps in the gym, etc). Recovery took eight full months.
pine pollen tastes amazing with orange/pineapple juice! the question is am i doing it a disservice by blending those two?
Feel free to mix them together, no harm in that.
PINE POLLEN TINCTURE i just order a bottle of it does it need to be cycled
i take pine pollen capsule been takeing them every day for about 2 month’s do i need to cycle. i take them 3 pills 2 time’s a day well it hurt to take another 3 pills they our 400mg each.
We can’t give an opinion on pills as we don’t sell those and don’t know what they may contain, but generally speaking pine pollen powder doesn’t need to be cycled.
I try the pine pollen it works wounder .I will be ordering it again .I will also tell my friends about
I was wondering if the phoenix formula is safe for a 21 year old male, since it contains pine pollen. Should I cycle it? I also, ordered the TKA and nettle root that I am planning to take both on weekdays and cut off on weekends. Should I just take all 3 together and cycle them 2.5|1 a week, or should I avoid phoenix formula since it contains pine pollen that already has testosterone and does not increase it naturally like the TKA? I want the benefits of the pine pollen as a multivitamin and do not want the instant increase in testosterone, since I would be doing so with TKA. Although most of the androgens will get destroyed in the GI tract, some of it will reach the bloodstream and maybe on the long run it will cause me problems as I age. Maybe I should buy the other 3 components of the phoenix formula alone and mix them together without the pollen if it will cause me problems, although I would love to just quit my multivitamin and take pine pollen instead if it will cause me no hormonal problems on the long run. Also, since I am taking one table spoon of the phoenix formula a day that would equal a 1/4 table spoon of pine pollen a day, which will probably cause no testosterone increase and if it does a little is cycling it 2.5|1 a week with the other 2 products enough to prevent my body from getting used to the testosterone available and still be able to produce it at high levels as I age older with no problems? Thank you, awaiting your reply.
Is the Phoenix and Spartan formula raw herbs or extract
The pine pollen in Phoenix is raw. Everything else in Phoenix is extracted. Spartan is also extracted, except the schisandra which is a concentrate.
What about the black ant and
The tonkat ali
Extracts. On each individual herb page it will describe what it is.
Can you make any of the other herbs in to a tincture
As long as you start with the raw herb and not an extract.
Are you getting any more tincture?
Probably this week.
Wow, Knew alot about pine pollen but did know of anyone taking it while pregnant. could you give more info, at the email attached.
Thanks
Hey, great info all round! I myself have half a half teaspoon twice a day of the pine pollen powder; one in my morning smoothie ( curtesy of Adam A) and one in warm milk with cacao, honey and half scoop of my choc protein powder before bed. Anyone else tried the pollen with milk?
So far I’m liking my Pine pollen and the sample of the formulas. I have more energy too. But I am anxious and curious of the new formulas coming down the pike like Titan.
They’re still coming. Thor’s Hammer should be next. Then probably Titan after that.
Ok so I think i had that issue that tim ferris had…I go hiking on a weekly basis in the hollywood hills here in los angeles and I just got back and had to share. For the first time since I have been hiking there, 3 different dogs came up to me and started sniffing me! I’m assuming it’s good as hopefully tonight the same thing happens with the females in a social setting 🙂 thanks again for putting out a great product gentlemen at LostEmpireHerbs!!
Thank you so much for the order of Pine Pollen powder. By far the best quality I have found, and yes, I have noticed an excellent “morning wood” effect. Highly recommend!
BTW, I have been taking the pine pollen powder by doing the following: mixing 16 ounces of mineral water, 1 table spoon of pine pollen powder, 1 table spoon of organic apple-cider vinegar, 1 teaspoon of liquid chlorophyll, 1 teaspoon of L-Arginine (2.5 g.), and a small bit of stevia. I take this formula once in the morning before work and then in late afternoon prior to exercise workout. So far, great results with this combination.
Thanks again!
Glad to hear it Louis. Make sure to leave a review on the pine pollen page if you would please. Your recipe sounds great, I’ll have to try it out myself…
Hi there. The instructions on the tincture state a dropper full. However when you squeeze the top, only half of the dropper fills up.
Yes, only half the dropper fills but that is considered a full dropper since that is as full as it gets.
Hi,
i want to cycle pinepollen powder, tincture and nettle root al together. what is the most simpel way to cylcing it ?
thanks,
cheers
Sahin
Take everything for a month than stop for two to four weeks then start again.
When talking about the morning wood test is this dosing with the tincture or the powder?
Thanks!
Specifically with the powder, though the tincture works for it too.
I am interested in this product. i am menopausal and I take herbs to mitigate the hot flashes, night sweats, etc. Do you recommend the powder or the tincture for someone such as myself? I am fit & active & like to take good care of myself.
Hi Peggy. We’ve received a few comments from customers that the pine pollen powder helped their hot flashes so I would recommend starting there. Generally we don’t recommend the tincture for women but their have been exceptions.
Here is my protocol for a SuperT-booster:
Upon waking, take at least 5-6 eye droppers of pine pollen tincture and 1-2 spoonfuls of pine pollen. Commence with a rigorous workout, preferably lower body so the groin area gets lots of movement and fresh oxygen. After workout, eat a high protein, low estrogenic breakfast and another tablespoonful of pine pollen. Take a shower and make sure at least the final 10 mins are in cold water – with the cold water directly on testicles.
This method works great for me and others to whom I have recommended it.Your T levels will be maxed out throughout the day.
Wow Alan. Sounds intense and awesome. Definitely going to have to try that. Just for clarity you’re doing 5-6 full droppers not drops right? And the 1-2 spoonfuls, are those tablespoons?
Yes – that is full droppers and yes, tablespoons so as far as the pine pollen powder, it works out to about 10-11 gms/day. I cycle this for about 10 days on and the 10 days off. During the “off days” I take 2400 mg of 1:200 tongkat ali + 1800 mg of high pot. nettle extract and 1800 mg of fenugreek. Most guys will shun away from the ice cold showers and it does take some getting used to, but now my body seems to crave the T-spike I get from it. It is the icing on the cake !
Alan, thanks for this protocol! Question, how long have you been doing this protocol and does the pine pollen still have the same potency when you hop back on it? Thanks again, can’t wait to try this.
I would avoid the fenugreek if you have any signs of decreased libido, brain fog or cold genitals. Fenugreek is a documented 5-alpha-reductase inhibitor and can rob sensitive individuals of necessary DHT levels to preserve sex drive and androgen profiles. I have been injured in this manner from fenugreek in the past and it took about eight full months to recover. The side effects were horrendous.
Your DHT levels are crucial to giving sexual potency to testosterone. DHT is not the devil it has been made out to be, as the modern research is showing.
Hey Alan, thanks for the info. May I ask your age?
A very fit 59….
Ht 6 4
weight 210
same as I was at age 30
Love the men’s hormone package! 2 questions, 1) is the tincture in a glass bottle and 2) should we also cycle the Nettle root. Your thoughts?
Thanks!!
John, yes its in glass. As for cycling nettle root I’ve seen some people say yes and others say no. I’m going to go with it is safe for long term usage, as the studies regarding BPH had people on it for 3 to 12 months long.
Is there a way to get the alcohol out of the tincture. I’m a recovering alcoholic and don’t want to trigger a relapse. Thanks
Rad, you can squirt the tincture into hot tea or another hot beverage. Alcohol has a lower boiling point than water so if you let it sit for a minute or two, the alcohol will evaporate and the constituents will remain.
You didn’t mention here, as you did in another writing, that holding the powder in your mouth for a few minutes allows the phytochems to absorb sublingually, which should give more benefits than simply swallowing it right away. I find that it does help. Thanks!
Yes, Bob I did forget to mention that. Glad it works for you.
I would also add, for anyone wanting to try this, that the first couple of times, the pine flavor gets pretty intense (almost turpentine-y) but that you get accustomed to it fairly quickly and it doesn’t seem that strong after a while so don’t give up because of the strong flavor!
Bob’s caveat is a good one, as the powder sublingually takes quite an adjustment. I might add one more caution and that is to be sure one’s mouth is moistened before ingesting. The powder is quite light and fluffy, and upon first taste one could tend to cough whereupon the powder is further drawn both up into the nasal passage and into the respiratory system. So be sure to take a sip of water before taking the pollen right off a spoon.
Good point Ken. Definitely coughing up the powder is not the best way to do it.
While I agree that inhaling it is not the best way to take the pollen, I would imagine that it absorbs straight into the blood stream too. :p
Does anyone know of a source for this outside of CHINA? If not there is a huge amount of pine pollen in Tennessee just begging to be harvested.