Peter Ragnar was one of our beta testers for the new Titan Formula. He took it blind, meaning he didn’t even know what was in it, in an 8-week experiment. His results were as follows:
- Increased intensity, volume and density in workouts
- Increased drive and motivation
- Decreased bodyfat
- Increased muscle gain
- Increased endurance
- Decreased muscular soreness
- 35 lb gain on max training squat
In this interview you’ll hear a lot more of the specifics, how much and when Peter took Titan, some of the science behind the herbs inside, his workout and training schedule, pre and post workout nutrition and much more.
Note that this is an n=1 experiment. This is a single person experiment and was coupled with hard training, good recovery and nutrition. Results may not be typical.
For more from Peter, check out these previous interviews:
You can also learn more from at his website LongevitySage.com.
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Logan: Hello, I’m Logan Christopher from Super Man Herbs and today I have with me on the line, Peter Ragnar. If you’ve heard a couple of our podcast episodes before, you should be familiar with Peter. He’s been a guest a couple of times. We talked about a wide range of health topics and qigong. I believe in our last one, we talked a lot about the cognitive benefits of herbs and how you can keep a sharp mind into older age. Today, we’re going to be focusing specifically on some of Peter’s experiences with our new Titan formula, which he was one of our sort of beta testers. So welcome and thanks for coming on the call, Peter.
Peter: Oh it’s my pleasure, Logan. I love doing these calls with you because every time you ask different questions, it brings out something different and all of a sudden we get a different perspective. That’s the fascinating thing about all of these herbs. The amazing benefits and what I’ve noticed, too, in the benefits when they’re used in conjunction with one another so you’re putting it together, putting some of these things together like Titan, it’s fabulous.
Logan: Yeah and with the herbs, as I’ve studied more herbalism and all the different systems, sure you can take a single herb at a time and that can be great but herbs really do work in combinations and when you take one herb with another, it’s not just a one plus one equal two thing; it’s more of a one plus one can equal three thing because the sort of synergistic effects you can get or how one herb may drive the other herb to a specific location in the body for different effects. So yeah, the whole topic of formulation is a very interesting one.
Peter: Yeah, that was the thing and the beauty about this little experiment is that I had no idea what I was taking so obviously I trust you guys. That way I didn’t have any way of putting my own bias into it or my own preference into it because usually when you’ve been taking a lot of herbs over a lot of years, you have a preference this over that. Oh I’ve tried this and that one didn’t work as well. This one works great. So it’s easy to be biased on it but having a blind experiment and starting off not knowing what to expect, I think that was one of the better ways to go about this because obviously, I’m interested through my own rational self-interest, as my rational self-interest. I want to get the gains, I want to get the performance increase in my lifting and the useful, maintain usefulness and longevity. So all of those things are my personal areas that I like to focus on.
Logan: Yeah, absolutely. And I do want to say one thing here just because we’ve been going over sort of the whole FDC claims on our website and whatnot that we’re going to talk about Peter’s experience and just because it was Peter’s experience, it may not be your exact same experience as well. I just want to put that out there. While herbs are great and I think everyone can find the right herbs for them, not every herb is going to work for each person in the same way. Even if you look at a double-blind placebo controlled experiment, not a hundred percent of the people are getting the results so I just want to put that little disclaimer out there. Now we can dive into some more detail on the experiment and the results you got from it.
Peter: Basically, it ended up being an eight-week experiment and it started back in August. At that time in August, of course with my lifting program I was pretty much interested in bulking. The best of all worlds is that you lose body fat and you gain muscle. A lot of times that guys want to pack on muscle, it ends up that yeah, you gain weight, you gain some muscle but you’re also gaining a bunch of fat with it. So the weight goes up and you’re feeling good and even without additional weight, you might find your poundage goes up a little bit. Well, interesting, I didn’t gain any weight but my weight remained the same, except a few pounds. It always depends on when you weigh yourself and what the conditions are so your weight can fluctuate a few pounds every day anyway. So we’re taking a pretty broad average.
Let’s say I was 188 pounds when I started the program. I weighed myself at the end of the program and I was right at the same weight. But what I did start to notice was that my blue jeans were kind of falling off and I said wait a minute, I maintained my body weight but I lost body fat, especially in the abdominal area. Well, that was great because as we get stronger and we put on more weight, it’s really tough to keep your abs, if this is important at all to you, looking good. Everybody talks about having six-pack abs but the more you try to get six-pack abs, it seems that then your lifts sometimes suffer. So there’s a direct correlation between body weight and what you’re lifting.
Well here, my body weight remained the same at the end of the program but my abs became more defined and I packed on more muscle on me, very visibly so. Now that’s interesting because I didn’t know what I was taking and I didn’t change my diet. I kept my diet pretty consistent. For my body weight, in order for me to maintain my musculature at this weight, I eat on the average on the average of 2,500 to 2,700 calories a day. While my protein intake tends to be on the lower side from what the magazines and other experts say you need to have, I still didn’t eat over 120 grams of protein a day, especially working hard at it to make progress.
Well, that was very interesting because in the mornings before I went to take my workout, I’d mix a little smoothie or my pre-workout drink and I’d add a tablespoon of a the Titan formula. What I started to notice was that I had a greater enthusiasm for my workout. Not that I ever had a low excitement level but I really wanted to get in there. I really wanted to rip those weights, just really go to town. So this is one of the first things that I started to notice was the degree of intensity, my workout intensity jumped up substantially which obviously, what does that do? When workout intensity is higher, your workout becomes more concentrated. There’s less time spent in between sets. So the workout intensity also started to increase. That in turn, obviously, brought about poundage gains. So I started gaining in all of my lifts. Actually, I mentioned this to you before. At the end of those eight weeks, I had gained 35 pounds on my training max poundage for my squat. That’s a good example. That’s eight weeks, a 35-pound increase. Now that was a jump.
Logan: Obviously, this wasn’t the first time you’ve started working out, right? That’s the kind of gain you could pretty easily see in the beginner but you’ve been doing this for quite some time. So that’s definitely a solid gain. That’s about almost five pounds per week.
Peter: Yeah and now consider, I’ve been lifting weights for over 60 years.
Logan: Yeah, you have a little bit of experience.
Peter: I’m making that kind of progress now? Come on. And I will say this, I’m not taking any steroids. I’m not taking any injections, anything like that. The only things that boosts my testosterone are the herbal supplements that I take. When you’re talking about a septuagenarian who is still packing on muscle and still pushing their records, something’s going on here. Now obviously, the herbs alone aren’t going to do it. You’ve got to work out. You’ve got to have that drive. But that’s the thing; I noticed that the herbs themselves help intensify the drive. It intensifies the desire and even some of the herbs within the Titan have a mental effect, which was subtle but it was there. Plus of course, I must admit that I do take the bacopa every single morning, too, by itself. Actually, I take the bacopa and I take a swig of an herbal elixir that has got pine pollen and a number of other things but I’ve been doing that right long. So mentally, the mental sharpness is there but now the intensity is just jacked up and that’s the great part about taking the Titan. Of course, obviously when I found out what was in the Titan, all of a sudden it all came together and I could understand aha, I know why I lost the body fat. I know why I got so cut. Those were the effects that have been discovered that these four herbs possess.
One of the things I was looking at in particular was the suma root, the Brazilian ginseng. I came across this study by V.M. Syrov, if I’m saying that correctly. He was a Russian scientist back in 1976. He extracted a compound from the suma root which is in the Titan called ecdysterone, if I got that pronunciation correctly. In his research on this, he found that it was actually more anabolic than dianabol and that methandrostenolone and other types of steroids that people take that are very dangerous but this particular ingredient made them even more anabolic than those very dangerous steroid drugs that people take. And I said, what does it do? What it did in one study, I read about a study, they had an eight-week study on athletes and they found that over a period of eight weeks these athletes had a 43% increased ability to burn fat. Well, what’d you think went through my mind, Logan, when I figured that out? I said no wonder my blue jeans are falling off. I looked for three nights and “Honey,” I said, “Have you found my belt anywhere around?”
Now let’s look at the intensity I was speaking about in the gym. Okay, my workouts and my endurance, and that was the other thing I noticed, my endurance was way up there. I found that I could easily have over-trained with that kind of intensity and endurance but I didn’t. I recuperated very, very nicely. But another eight-week study found a 23% increase in endurance. So here we have the fat-burning benefits. You have the increase in endurance and you’re going to the gym and you’re working out. These are tremendous benefits.
Also, one of the things that they found out about the suma was that it increases nitric oxide levels. Now obviously, the nitric oxide is very, very important in the maintenance of lean muscle mass. Actually, it was something I found when doing some research on it, that the heart muscle has more receptors for testosterone than any other muscle in the body and it is stimulated tremendously by the nitric oxide levels in the body. Whenever the NO levels or nitric oxide levels go down, that’s when people have heart attacks. That’s when they have heart problems. They found that suma naturally increased the nitric oxide in the body, hence protecting the heart from any heart problems.
That was fantastic because the other thing that they found with the suma was that it was also an anti-estrogenic type of substance and that’s the thing people worry about. Okay, as you increase your testosterone levels, the estrogen levels seem to go up. That especially happens with body builders where they get the big tits. Their estrogen levels are off the charts and the feminizing hormone is now jacked up in their body. Well, that’s the danger of all of these synthetic drugs that people end up taking. But with suma, it’s just the opposite. It’s just the opposite. It jacks up testosterone and muscle love testosterone but at the same time, it regulates and keeps the estrogen levels in the male low. I mean, that’s the best of all worlds. How can you find something so great?
Logan: Yeah, I want to share the experience of some of the other people that were taking these and related herbs. As you were mentioning, you’re not on steroids or anything but the effects of these are powerful. We actually talked to a few people that have done steroids and various things like those in the past and said that the herbs seem to feel just as strong for them. So that’s interesting to know. But one thing that I do want to say with these ecdysterones, I know a lot of the Russian science, they would like isolate that one component of it. We tend to not try to do that with the Super Man Herbs. We have more of the full spectrum extract of the herb so it has that component in there but it has everything else and I think that’s when the important parts that’s going to keep this safer and also have more general beneficial effects throughout the body.
Peter: Oh yeah. I think that again is so important because you’re not isolating any one particular chemical. It’s working in harmony together just like nature dictated that it should. That’s what makes this such a powerful cocktail because you have all of the other ingredients was well. It’s like with the maral root that was in there. Even on the site, on the Super Man Herb site, you cite some of the records that were performed by the Chinese in the Olympics and other world records. I went and I looked at that and I said, what was that? Well, records that were broken in swimming and track, world and Olympic records, they were giving their athletes maral root. And then I thought, wow, no wonder it worked in Titan.
Logan: Yeah, all those things you were saying regarding the ecdysterones, those are found not just in suma but it’s also in maral root as well. So delivering those two together, of course, everything is going to have a little bit of different effects but that seems to be one of the more active components that delivers the benefits in these two herbs.
Peter: Yeah, and the other thing was the shilajit. That was that Indian Viagra. I think anything that has that type of effect, our muscles love it. The one study that I went and researched—this was by JB Roy, State Ayurvedic Medical College and Hospital in India and you cite, I think you referred to this on the site also—they gave 60 men who were infertile 200 mg of shilajit for 90 days. Their testosterone levels went up 23.5% and their sperm counts went up 61.4%. Wow. And then in addition, just like you were saying Logan, it’s not just any one thing, like shilajit you have 85 different minerals that are benefiting the body in so many different ways. So those were pretty exciting discoveries.
The other thing that I enjoyed and of course, I have been taking the mucuna for quite a while now and that’s actually one of my favorite mental herbs but I didn’t realize how much it had an effect on the physical aspects of the body such as your sex drive. Well, whenever the sex drive in a man goes up, his intensity rises and when you have a gym to just focus that intensity, that again explains the sensation and the experience that I had when I first started to take the Titan. You take it before the workout. Go in and see how the workout is and this is what I would challenge other lifters to do. It’s to take it before the workout, 15 minutes before the workout. This stuff tastes good, too, by the way. While I like tongkat ali—
Actually, that brings me up to something else though, Logan. I started mixing it in with my oats in the morning, my breakfast. My general breakfast has been for years is oats, raw hemp seeds and then I mix it with blueberries. I put some pine pollen in there and then I put some lion’s mane mushroom and I mix this all up. I put some, like I said, some fruits, some raisins, some coconut milk and some cinnamon. So I started putting the Titan in there first thing in the morning and I thought it was just great. I said that is a very easy way to take it.
Logan: I was going to ask because you work out most days of the week but not every day of the week, are you taking Titan on your off days? It sounds like if you’re adding it to your breakfast then you are.
Peter: I got so much benefits just taking it just before the workouts. Yeah, I didn’t take it every day. I just took them for workouts. Now I’m taking it every day in my breakfast and I said let’s see how that works. So far, so good. I’m going back into my gym, setting new personal records. I started to play around with doing a few high-rep workouts, sort of breaking it up a little bit because generally what I’m doing is more or less a powerlifting routine but to give myself a little bit of break in there, I started to throw in a few workouts that were just crazy.
I’d do some inclined dumbbell presses. I start off with a pair of dumbbells and do a set of 50. Immediately, put them down and grab the next set. I’d do a set of 40, a set of 30, a set of 10, a set of 5 and then do a few with the heaviest weights I could handle at that time. So that was just one big giant set and then immediately switch over and I’ll grab my—I’ve got one of these Appolon Axles, the real thick-handled barbell and then do the same thing with the barbell and just keep slapping on plates until I couldn’t do anymore and make it a big giant set. I thought, wow, breaking it up like that, giving your body a different experience then I go back and I’m going back to my low-rep sets, my triples and singles and then my weight going up.
Logan: Yeah. As we were talking when you were speaking about the increased drive and then with mucuna, I was just thinking about this and it’s interesting because mucuna is a rich source of L-dopa, which is the precursor to dopamine and dopamine is sort of like our endogenous reward system. So having like more drive and going out there and setting new personal records in the gym, whether that’s more volume, higher reps in a set or a bigger weight, it’s triggering us to feel really good and that’s just sort of creating this virtuous cycle that sort of aids in our workouts. Also with the mucuna, I’m not sure of the exact sort of science on this but it seems like with more dopamine, the body both able to increase testosterone and growth hormone as well. I’m not sure of the exact mechanism of that but that seems to be the case because mucuna, there’s some research is showing that it helps with both of these hormones, which obviously are both anabolic hormones.
Peter: Right and what they did find on that when they studied L-dopa’s effect on Parkinson’s patients, the other side of benefit of the L-dopa was that the Parkinson’s patients noticed an increase sex drive. They also noticed that among the Parkinson’s patients that they studied that they did not seem to age like people with other diseases and they attributed that to the L-dopa, which of course the mucuna is very rich in. The other study that I came across quite some time ago, this was 1974 by George Cotzias at the Brookhaven National Laboratories that’s out at Long Island, New York. What they did, they studied lifespan of mice and they started giving the mice L-dopa. They found that they could get a 50% increase in lifespan just by the L-dopa alone. So the effects that it has on the physical body, especially on a healthy body, I think we’re just starting to discover that. But in Ayurvedic medicine, they’ve been using mucuna for 4,000 years. I just wonder what they knew back then. Well, we know one thing about it, that it balances serotonin and dopamine and increases your appetite, it increases your sex drive and of course naturally regulates your mood. So all those things, I see nothing but benefits.
Logan: It’s a pretty interesting herb. It seems to do so many things. I know a lot of herbs are like that but like you’re saying, it’s like a mental herb but it’s also a great workout herb and anti-aging herb. It seems to do all these different things. Yeah I think we’ve only sort of scratched the surface on what mucuna can do and even more so, how it’s actually working in the body. There seems to still be a lot of mystery to uncover there.
Peter: Yeah, you guys really knocked the ball out of the park with this formula, this Titan formula. I can’t say enough good things about it. Just make sure I don’t run out of this.
Logan: So you mentioned I guess sort of the effects of this experiment where you did eight weeks of it and you noticed just upon taking it, you felt a bit more of a drive to work out and you felt good. Were there any sort of effects you noticed immediately when taking Titan?
Peter: What I noticed it continued to build. At first, you’ve got to look and say okay, is this my imagination or is this my mood today? Do I just feel more energized for some reason? I got plenty of sleep. Everything is working in my life. I have nothing, no anxiety or things to worry about. Obviously, that’s going to give you a good workout. But it was consistent workout after workout and that’s the thing I liked about it, the consistency about it and it seemed like it continued to build because really I wish I hadn’t stop. Just said it was eight weeks. I’d like to compare it now since it’s been I guess another four weeks since then but I’m still making gains. I’m looking at certain lifts and I’m charting down okay, I’m going to knock this ball out of the park. You have that sense of accomplishment and I think that goes along with that overall feeling of wellbeing.
Again, as you have said so many times too, the herb helps if you work. If you’re doing something, it’s supplementing you. It’s not an active pill of its own. If you just take the herb and you never go into the gym, well yeah, you’re going to get some benefits but not like the benefits you get when you demand more of yourself. That comes down to when you’re feeling good about your life, you’re feeling good about yourself, and you’re going to ask more. You’re going to push your performance. When you push your performance and you supplement that performance with natural foods, healthy foods, healthy herbs, a good lifestyle, everything then comes together. So it’s a lot of different things, having enough hydration, sleeping enough, getting enough rest, not stressing yourself out and just living richly.
Logan: Yeah, the Titan formula is not going to lift the weights for you. It’s sort of a supplemental thing, the herbs. I think that’s very important when you say like all those foundational lifestyle factors really need to be in place if you want to get great results just in general from working out, but in addition with the supplements. Did you notice any sort of difference in muscular soreness from the workouts when taking this?
Peter: Far less a soreness. Yeah, actually I can’t really recall getting super sore on anything. Sometimes, my fingers get sore from doing grip work. That’s expected. My hands are a little sore after deadlifts but I do some other stuff after that, too. See this a little rubber thing here, Dennis Rogers sent me this as a gift so I have this ugly rubber that when I sit in my office oftentimes, I just so yeah, your fingers get a little sore, especially when you look at doing your big lifts like your dead lift and squats. But really no soreness but I can tell that I worked.
Logan: Okay, so that’s good, the reduction in DOMS or delayed onset muscular soreness. That makes sense because a lot of people think with the herbs, you’re taking them to have more energy and be able to put in a harder workout. What’s probably even more important is that recovery aspect of it and I think a lot of the herbal components, all the ecdysterones and the different minerals and everything that’s in this formula, it’s really going to help support your body in not just having a better workout but then in recovering from that workout.
Peter: Yeah. It’s shocking to say that lifting weights does not build muscle. It’s recuperation that builds muscle. So yes, you do need to do something to tax the muscle but the muscle doesn’t grow after you’ve taxed it. It grows when it recuperates from the stressed you placed upon it. So being able to give it more stress and intensify the stress and then also having enough recuperation time, that’s really the key and that’s where the supplements come in. That time then shortens so in other words, you can work out in a shorter period of time again because you’d recuped.
Now that’s something I try to give a pretty good eye on, the amount of time between my workouts, especially if you take a workout like a deadlift. A dead lift really, really digs deep into recovery and it depends on how heavy you’re working. If you’re working triples and singles or working at the top 90% to 95% of your capacity, yeah, I’d need more time before I get back to that. But as long as I’m getting hydration, the sleep, the rest and the proper nutrition then I grow faster and then I’m ready, I’m fresh when I hit that heavy workout again.
So that’s basically the way I’ve been doing it. I’ll start, my first workout of the week will be squats. That’s the main lift then I have some secondary lifts. Then I’ll take a day off and I come back and that’s my upper body day, which is generally bench, presses or inclines. Then I take another day off. I come back and that’s my deadlift day. That’s deadlifts and then some secondary back exercises like pull-ups or dumbbell rolls or something like that but primarily it’s a deadlift day. Then I take another day off and maybe two and then come back and begin again with my squats.
Now I’ll do this in a monthly cycle. My first week, I’ll come in and I’ll start with three sets of five but on the last set, on the fifth rep I go all out. It’s not just if I can get ten reps, great. If I get eight reps, great, whatever it is. But I plan on doing that on a lower percentage of my max and that’s how I’ve been making progress. So my first workout of the month, I’ll start at 65%, 75% and 85% of my one-repetition maximum training weight. The second week, I increase those percentages to 70%, 80% and 90% but I’m only doing three reps. And the third week, I’m going down and I’m finally ending up with singles so I’ll be three, two, one and just work some singles but then I’m working up to 95% of my max. So basically in three weeks, I’ve gone from my lower percentages right on up to 95% of what I can do. The following fourth week, I mix that up. My workouts are much lighter. I throw in some really high rep things. I do some things, some exercises that I don’t do regularly and then I come back again and begin week one again working five reps and then just right on through as I just explained.
That seems to be working for me because every month I will add ten pounds to my lower body exercises and five pounds to my upper body. So every four to six weeks, I’ll be increasing the weight. That’s been pretty consistent for over the past several years. So I’ve been making a lot of gains but what I did when I started taking the Titan, that should have been maybe 15 pounds and not 35 pounds increase. There was some substantial difference and I’m measuring this against the past several years. Here’s my diary right here. Every single workout, every single rep, every single weight recorded in this book right here so I keep very, very accurate records and I know where I’m going to be six months from now if I stick with the program.
Logan: So just to recap, you’re basically doing like kid of a mini cycle every month where you have three weeks where you go progressively heavier while lowering down the total volume. And then your fourth week is kind of like a deload week but you’re not taking a rest so much as doing some novel things and also higher volume so basically a break from the heavy lifting for your body and then you just repeat that once again.
Peter: Exactly. And it took me a long time, a number of years to really get settled into a program that works for me personally. The way that I judge a lot of this, I set my goals based on what the national records are for the category that I’m in. Then I figure how many reps I have to do to equal those poundages that are my target poundages. I know what I need to do in each workout to be on target to exceed or to reach or exceed, hopefully, those records. So again, you can’t hit a target you can’t see. So having a target that you can see that is just out of reach from where you are, it makes you stretch, not too much, not too little but it’s within shot. It’s within your capacity to accomplish and that keeps your enthusiasm going for those workouts. Let’s see. I’m close on a lot of these things, if not exceeding them.
Logan: Absolutely. So you mentioned a pre-workout shake where you threw the Titan in. Do you want to go a little bit more detail of what might be in that because I’m sure people are curious?
Peter: Yeah, one of the things that I enjoy using, Katrina found a fantastic company called My Essence and they have a complete raw protein, it’s a raw vegan protein which is a Sacha Inchi which is a Peruvian super food. So I will take some of this and also some antioxidant super food which is made from berries which My Essence, the same company, has. I’ll mix that with coconut milk and then put the Titan in with that. I also like throw in a spoonful or tablespoon of cacao. I find that the additional magnesium that I get from the cacao also helps. That becomes my pre-workout shake.
Logan: Excellent. It sounds pretty good.
Peter: It’s great and it tastes good. There are a lot of things that people will do for a while but if they can’t make it taste good, they just sometimes go by the wayside. I don’t mind bad-tasting things. I’m just that kind of guy. If something tastes bad, I’m going to open my mouth and put it in there anyway. Big deal. Come on, grow up. Put the big boy out there. But not everybody’s got that attitude.
Logan: Yeah. Do you have a typical meal or post-workout shake or anything you do after your workout?
Peter: Definitely. After my workout, I usually work out about 11:00 in the morning, late morning, immediately after my workout, Katrina fixes lunch. That’s our main meal of the day. That’s where I want high protein. I may take a protein shake afterwards but I make certain that I always eat within the half hour after that workout because my body has been squeezed out like a sponge and I’m ready for it. At that time, any other particular nutrients I may want to add or any other supplements, that’s the window. After that, it’s just pretty much of an easy day. My regular schedule, I’ll eat light in the evening and just sort of relax and go to bed early.
Logan: One thing I do want to mention just because when people look at this, we’ve kind of labeled Titan as a post-workout formula but you’re describing using it as a pre-workout. Really it’s kind of interchangeable on how it can be done. We already had a pre-workout formula. That’s why we made this one a post- but they actually both have maral root but other than that, the herbs are a bit different. Really with herbs, it’s not like a lot of the chemical pre-workout stuff that’s out there. They really can be used more interchangeably and both these formulas, there’s stuff that’s going to give you sort of that energy and drive we talked about that’s going to help people with the workout itself, as well as supporting the recovery from the workout afterwards. I just wanted to mention that because people that see that might get a little confused.
Peter: Yeah, I’m glad you did. Actually, let me clarify. Pre-workout, I actually take it down and finish—I’ll have maybe 16 ounces of fluid, of water in there but I will drink it through my workout. I start before I work out but I don’t finish it until sometime three-quarters of the way through my workout. After I stop or do a set, I take a sip, catch my breath and go back, ready for the next set.
Logan: Nice, that’s very good. I’ve experimented a little with that and I’ve heard some other people that are taking the herbs throughout the workout. I think that’s an equally valid way to take them. Really just take some herbs before, during or after and you’ll be pretty good. Or take them before, during and after.
Peter: I think everything is happening right there. The workout’s the center of it. Get it in. Keep it in there. The body is crying for it. Let’s go and just hit it. Do it all right now.
Logan: So Peter, what do you think about women taking Titan? Any experience there? Not personal experience obviously.
Peter: First of all, my wife Katrina loves your products. She’s actively promoting the Athena, which she gets incredible results from but now knowing what’s in the Titan, there’s nothing in the Titan that would prevent the woman from taking it because all of the benefits are equally as powerful for both sexes. While it’s sort of funny when we get together, Logan, probably people sense a lot of testosterone. We’re talking about males or masculine pursuits here but women benefit just as much from these nutrients. I mean the mucuna for mood, for brain health, for hormonal stability, all of these. The shilajit in particular, I know a lot of women rave about taking the shilajit. If you take them all together and then you have the maral root, yeah, I would definitely recommend it for women. Here’s the good news for women, the stuff tastes good.
Logan: Not quite as good as the Athena formula but not as bad as some other things like tongkat.
Peter: And there are some interesting ways, a lot of interesting ways to—What I found that I like about is that you can mix it with your food. I’ve been experimenting with different ways of mixing it in with my foods which makes it great.
Logan: Yeah. Oftentimes, a lot of these roots and different herbs were used as food in the past. Of course, now we have powdered extracts so some of the effects are amplified but they throw roots into a stew or whatever they happen to be making so yeah, anytime you can add them to food it may even enhance absorption a little bit because your body is just not taking this great powder but it’s mixed together with stuff so it’s digesting along with it.
Peter: Yeah. That was one of the things, too. I noticed a lot of folks out there, some are pretty opinionated about the things that you take. Some go, you’re taking supplements? I said, wait a minute; let me explain this. These are things that ancient people have taken on a regular basis as part of their food. They may have been considered as culinary supplements, things that they added to their food or ate as foods like pine pollen. So this is all part of the natural scheme of things. It’s not a bunch of chemicals. It’s not a bunch of synthetics. This is as nature would have you have it.
Logan: Right. The way I like to put it is herbs are a natural part of our diet that we just largely gotten away from them but they ought to be in there. I think that’s an important piece of being healthy and performing well.
Peter: Right. I think it’s a very important thing for us to mention, that this is natural, this is sound, this is safe. Bottom line.
Logan: So since this experiment, did you stop taking the Titan formula or have still been continuing taking it?
Peter: Actually, I just finished the very last of it yesterday.
Logan: I was going to ask if you were cycling this at all. Just generally what we recommend since some of these herbs are powerful hormonally, anything that you’re doing for an extended period of time, your body is going to adapt to that so it’s probably a good idea with this formula to cycle it, as in every once in a while, go off it for a short period of time but then get back on it and you’ll probably see those benefits again. So yeah, I was just going to be curious if you noticed. I guess since you just started, you won’t have yet but the results in your workouts not being on Titan.
Peter: That’s a good point. I’m glad you brought that up, Logan, because that is the other thing that I’ve noticed with a lot of the herbs that I have cycled on. You get greater benefits because your body gets used to the extra energy you get from them and then if you take a little break, you come back fresh, all of a sudden the body’s like oh yeah, I remember this; let’s go.
Logan: Yup. It’s kind of like by giving that break then your body can get even more benefit from them once you start again. So if you are doing something like kind of planning your cycles out, you mentioned you know where you’re going to be six months from now, if you have anything big that you’re trying, let’s say you’re going for a competition or any sort of special event, that can be a good time to sort of time your herbs for that.
Peter: Oh yeah. I would say find an event or whatever it is, your best lift ever in your lifetime and set it out there six months ahead, plan out a program where you systematically are working toward getting that. This is the difference. A lot of people exercise. I don’t exercise. I train. I’m training for something. I’m training for a particular breakthrough in my own performance. Now it doesn’t have to be on stage or competition somewhere although I am considering that. I have toyed with this but it’s something that I can do that’s going to be a milestone for me personally.
So I set that out six months from now and I say, what do I need to do now to get there in 180 days from today? How do I have to progress each month? How much do I need to do each week then to get where I need to be at the end of the month so I can be on schedule? I plan it out that way so that keeps me continuously making gains. You hear a lot of guys talk, they reach the big 4-0. I don’t know what the hell that is. 40 years, what’s that? I’m looking excitedly for the next ten years in my life. Where am I going to be ten years from now? How about five years? What will be the lifts that I’ll be doing then? Three years, which is the crucial goal area, that’s probably the most important because that’s far enough away but close enough. The years go quickly. So then you say okay, where do I have to be this year? Six months from now? Three months from now? Next week? If I do this and I’m at this point next week, I will be there and consistently, I will be there at that goal in five years.
So what’s it all worth in the big picture? Well hey, this is how we play in the playground. It doesn’t really matter in one sense but it’s just the way that you live life and you get this sense of fulfillment and joy and pleasure from it. I don’t care who is stronger than I am. There’s always going to be someone stronger, smarter, younger and better-looking, what have you, but I know where I want to be for me, rational self-interest. I don’t care what anybody else is doing. This is what I do.
Logan: I guess I’ve got one final question for you. You mentioned a little bit regarding bacopa and some of the other herbs. But what other herbs or supplements were you taking at the same time because I’m sure people are curious, the same time as the Titan experiment?
Peter: Okay, I backed off on just about everything. I did take some mucuna and bacopa and the Lion’s Mane but I have a mental program, a mental exercise program that I’m working with, too. We can have another hour on mental athletics. So I have some goals there but other than that, I just wanted to see what the Titan was going to do and I trusted, due to the fact that whatever you guys came up with, we’re going to give it a good, honest shot and those are the results.
Logan: Very cool. Yeah, if anybody has other questions, I’m sure Peter would be happy to answer them but I think we covered a lot of information. I’m sure anyone that’s listened this far is going to be excited to try out Titan for themselves and see what it does for them. Peter, where would you like people to go to find more information about you?
Peter: Please go to PeterRagar.com and while I can’t accept any more people on my Facebook page, I accept followers on there so check out my Facebook page. But if you go on PeterRagnar.com, you get my free eBook on breathing techniques for longevity, for life extension and a lot of other good stuff. Don’t worry. I’m not going to hit you with a bunch of sales page. It’s not on there. The only thing that I’ve been promoting here is what I do personally, like the herbs. So if you like that, please do sign up and we’ll be in touch.
Logan: Excellent. Well, any final thoughts or things that we didn’t cover that you want to mention?
Peter: I think we covered it pretty well. It’s just hey, you’ve got this life to live. Live it with gusto. Live it with passion. Live it with enthusiasm. Don’t let anybody put you down. The whole world’s before you. You can be, do, and have anything you want as long as you get your butt of the couch and you do it. Go for it, friends.
Logan: Absolutely. Well thank you so much, Peter.
Peter: Thank you, Logan. It’s always a pleasure.
Logan: All right, thanks everyone for listening.
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