Whether you’ve never heard of shilajit before, or already know a lot, you’ll learn plenty from this interview with Ayurvedic expert Dr. Jay. I know I did!
- Whole Plant Extracts vs. Isolated Nutrients
- The Mythical Story of Shilajit
- Why Shilajit is the Only Substance on the Planet that can be Added to Any Formula to Make it Better
- The Four Types of Shilajit – Gold, Silver, Copper and Iron
- 82 Minerals and High Amounts of Calcium
- An Immortal Substance, living 3000+ years
- Is Fulvic Acid the Most Important Part or Not?
- The Low Heat Processing Steps to Make Usable Shilajit of the Highest Quality
- Heavy Metals, Lead Content and Detoxing
- How Shilajit works on the Mitochondira and DNA/RNA
- 12 Years of Shilajit to Live an Extra 12 Years
- The Best Time to Take It
- Learn the Best thing to Take it With if You’re Kapha, Pitta or Vata
- How Much Do You Need to Take?
- Using Shilajit Topically or with Animals
- Overcoming Disease with Ideas on Different Protocols for Different Diseases
- Ayurvedic Tradition of Mixing Shilajit with Milk
- How Shilajit Earned the name Indian Viagra, and why this is Different than You May Think
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Hey guys, welcome back to the Vital Way. I’m Logan Christopher and I’m really excited about the interview that we have for you today. This is with Dr. Jay who I’m sure you’ll be hearing more from in the future. In today’s interview, we talk in depth about shilajit, the destroyer of weakness and the conqueror of mountains and why this is the top anti-aging substance in Ayurvedic medicine, really amazing stuff, stuff I did not know, I was not aware of about shilajit. I think some of it may even blow your mind. Very cool stuff.
Just a quick word of warning. Dr. Jay is Indian and he has an accent so if you’re like me and tend to listen to your podcast on double speed or 1 ½ speed, this one you may need to slow it down just to catch every word. Trust me, it is worth listening to in getting all the little details that he has to share with you today. Like I said, I’m very excited about this one so let’s get right to it.
Logan: Hi, I’m Logan Christopher with Superman Herbs and I’m pleased to announce Dr. Jay here with us today. We’re going to be talking about shilajit but can you give a little background on yourself?
Jay: Yes. I’m a doctor in Botanical Drug Products which is the special line branch of Ayurveda. Then I did in MBA in Biotechnology with Strategy and Finance. It’s a very interesting thing that in Ayurveda like in all the scriptures and in the text, there are more than 500 medicinal plants which have been described. In our study, in fact, we literally have to go in the generals with our Masters’. We have to identify the plant in general in that complete and just by looking at them, at what it could be and not only looking at it to identify it but even what could be the use of it just by looking at it. So you have to establish the communication with the plant and then that the plant itself tells you that you know what, pick me, take this bark for this particular use.
Once you go advanced in the communication with the plant, even that plant tells you the patient’s name, that okay, so-and-so patient will come to you or so-and-so patient had come to you, so I am specifically for that patient for this condition. But yeah, of course it happens on the metaphysical level so we elevate our own energy to that plant energy and then it has to be totally benevolent. There has to be no kind of commercial or the business aspect of it. It has to be totally benevolent in terms of the benefit to the humankind.
That whole process goes in the education for more than four years. It’s just pretty interesting. Then you come to know a lot of other forces of nature governing you or on the plants, like how the moon is affecting all the plants, how the sun is affecting all the plants, how the other planets are affecting the plants. Plants being a lively dynamo, it captures the entire planet’s energy in different ways.
It is so interesting that, for example, plants have the roots, whatever, or rhizomes. We talk about a stem, the bark or what we call it. We talk about the leaf. We talk about the flower. We talk about the fruit. All these parts of the same plant harness a different energy altogether. So in Ayurveda, specifically they say use the fruit of this plant, use the root of this plant, use the bark/skin of this plant because we talk about a really deep meaning in terms of not only the chemistry, not only the chemistry molecules which are present in the plant but in order to capture the plant essence in that particular part of the plant. That directly go I will never believe in over-processing. We never manufacture any of the extracts by over-processing or by disturbing nature’s integrity in it. We believe in the full. We believe in the holistic. We believe in the totality of this thing because once you isolate some molecule of the plant then it’s no longer natural. It is more like a synthetic chemistry that is coming from the plant.
Plants have more than one life molecule or so to start with. What if I gave you that hundred thousand molecules in a different form, in a separate form? If I tell you to make the plant, can you make a plant? No. That is nature’s engineering. That is something nature gives us. Then with respect to it, we just capture the entire molecule in a single form so that basically putting the whole plant inside of you but here the only thing is the volume. With the minimal volume, we give the maximum benefit. That’s what the whole Ayurveda is all about.
Logan: When it comes to shilajit, this isn’t plant matter? It comes out of the mountains. I’ve heard different things about where it actually came from. It used to be plant matter thousands of years ago. What’s your take on shilajit?
Jay: It is. Actually, there is a nice esoteric story that has been given of shilajit in line with that when the first time on this planet, how the shilajit occurred or who identified the shilajit, who was the first inventor of the shilajit on the planet? That was Lord Shiva. The story is that when Lord Shiva cried, out of compassion for the whole planet he cried. The tears were happy tears, not out of agony but it was so blissful. He became so blissful that he started crying. How could this mythological story but we talk about a totally scientific meaning behind it as where the tears got dropped, there the shilajit rocks started happening.
So basically, what does that mean? The Lord Shiva is the symbol of death. Death means that it kills the disease. It stops the disease so it is the death to disease. That’s where Lord Shiva stands and that’s how it gives eternal life. That’s why it’s in line with the saying that shilajit is the only substance on the whole substance on the whole planet that you can add in any medicine. So it’s something in Sanskrit called yogavahi. Yoga means “to join” or to put in anything and vahi means it will go with it, flow. So by joining it, it will flow. That means that if you add shilajit with honey, you add shilajit with any herb like say ashwagandha, it will enhance the biological effects of ashwagandha, it will enhance the biological effects of honey in terms of actually in under all other properties of it.
So shilajit basically to start with is a fossil. What happened when other planets were getting formed that there were reported turmoil of the organic substances in the planet. So there was the plant kingdom and when the turmoil happened, the plant kingdom would bleed under the soil and then again the plant grows. Again, it will bleed. So it became a sandwich. That sandwich then it got aged down the line in the planet, on the earth, and that became the shilajit rocks. So basically, the shilajit is a mixture of the various organic substances.
There are various types of shilajit described in Ayurveda. There are almost four different kinds of shilajit which have been described in Ayurveda. The classification is based on how it looks. Some shilajit rocks look like gold so it’s called swarna shilajit. Some rocks of the shilajit though is black. It has the shiny silvery lines so it’s called the rajat shilajit, the silver shilajit. Some look like copper so it’s called the tamra shilajit. Some look like iron so it’s called the lauha shilajit. That means that it contains minute particles of the natural ore of gold, silver, copper and iron, depending on geographically from where you’re collecting.
That’s why it’s preferable—how are these mountains are happening? Why is shilajit found only on the mountains and not in the mines and not in a normal altitude? It’s because the mountains happened due to the compression of the earth and that’s how the mountains were raised. So all the fossils which were created by compression came up and when it came up, in the Himalayas when the summer comes and all the snow which is saturated in the winter, due to the sun’s energy that snow starts melting and not only does it melt but it melts with the shilajit rocks. That started flowing with the water and then where there are waterlogging areas, that shilajit is or it starts flowing in the water. It dumps off a very thin, like a thin papery kind of membrane. We have to collect that and then we have to just process it with the water and that is the shilajit resin once you’ve got it.
Now the shilajit rock, you take it from the mountains. Then that itself you have a process in the water and that’s how you get the powdered shilajit. So there’s a difference in that. Shilajit resin is collected from naturally waterlogging areas and we just purify it by filtering it and then the shilajit resin is formed. That’s why it’s kind of more of a resinous compound. When we take rocks and then we process in the plant with the water, with the spring water, that’s how you get the powdered shilajit.
So shilajit is basically the mixture of more than 82 minerals. It’s highest source of organic calcium. Shilajit has got the highest source of calcium, around 80% calcium it has and that calcium is totally absorbed in the body so nothing gets wasted. Not only the micro minerals and that’s what the shilajit has got as a value but shilajit has got a value in decreasing aging. We say in Ayurveda that shilajit has no expiry date. It is immortal. Since it is immortal, it gives immortality to you. So it’s just kind of the synchrony between the and you. That’s what shilajit is all about.
Shilajit, we consider it a holy substance. It is immortal. That’s why it gives you life. It ends on the and as nature itself takes around 3,000 to 4,000 years of aging and how that’s you get a rock of shilajit, you can imagine the aging and the sun scar and the action happening in so many years. If I consider three seasons in one year and if it were 3,000 years, that shilajit has seen around 12,000 seasons, different seasons, and the impact of the 12,000 seasons are there. You see the molecule of the shilajit is not the chemistry but the total effect of so many years and so many seasons it has seen. It is imprinted in the shilajit and that’s why I will assume the shilajit can be added to every medicine you’re giving to the patient and in the smallest dose of that medicine just adding a little shilajit in there, it becomes more bioavailable and bio-adaptive.
Logan: So would you actually recommend that people add shilajit to everything they take?
Jay: Yes, in every medicine they take, they add shilajit.
Logan: Because it’s going to make it more powerful?
Jay: More powerful. Not only am I saying the natural stuff but if somebody is taking any kind of antibiotic, for example, for any infectious disease and you’ll see that if you take that antibiotic with shilajit, that antibiotic works faster than what it would usually do. That’s my clinical experience. When I was practicing in India, even with people who are on antibiotics for a chronic period of time, for example tuberculosis, for example in the chronic infection, we used to give shilajit to them. They take the antibiotic but take the shilajit as well. So there’s a twofold effect. The shilajit removes the side effects and after-effects and shilajit enhances the therapeutic activity and many other things.
Logan: I’ve heard that it’s the fulvic acid that helps with this effect, that it may help deliver these other nutrients in the cells. Is that what it’s doing?
Jay: No, it’s half-true. See the fulvic acid is one of the matter components in shilajit. It’s not the total. It’s like this. Nobody should take shilajit because it contains fulvic acid. But as the shilajit is such a rare, earthy material, that I have to standardize on something, that why my shilajit is good or authentic. So to prove the authenticity of the shilajit, I have to strengthen it along the various matter. The fulvic acid is just a notion. It’s just a notion. That is one of the chemicals found we just found in shilajit. That doesn’t mean that the higher the fulvic acid percentage, the better the shilajit is. No, it’s not that. You have to look at the entirety of the shilajit.
So we have fulvic acid in shilajit. We have humic acid. There are other organic acids in it. We have more than 82 minerals in the shilajit and our tools and techniques in the modern world have not been advanced to that state that we can map the entire moiety of the molecule or the chemistry present in the shilajit.
Logan: Because there are probably about hundreds of chemicals in there.
Jay: Hundreds of chemicals, yeah, and they are structurally bound to each other in such a unique way so that binding and that molecule itself, they’re both persistent activities actually. So the fulvic acid, you have the synthetic fulvic acid and you have the fulvic acid present in the shilajit. Now though chemically both are the same, where do you see its effect? One is variable, one is absolutely not variable. One which is coming from the mines which is the fulvic acid. It’s not shilajit. It’s not a shilajit’s fulvic acid.
But what we have done, we have identified one very special marker in shilajit called dibenzo alpha pyrones. If the shilajit is coming from that particular area, if it is authentic then only that dibenzo alpha pyrones will be present in the shilajit. Otherwise, it won’t. We do it on every batch of our basis to see that. First of all when we get the raw material from the tribal people, we identify the raw material on the basis of dibenzo alpha pyrones. Once we have the dibenzo alpha pyrones present in the shilajit rock then only we take up in that production. Otherwise, we reject the raw material.
The fulvic acid present in the shilajit basically varies in terms of the slightest change in the processing. The slightest increment in the temperature, the fulvic acid differs. That’s why shilajit is such a delicate product that we never overheat it. We process the shilajit at exactly the temperature of the body which is 38 degrees centigrade. The moment we go beyond the temperature of the body, shilajit starts looking its entirety or shilajit starts degrading so we should never boil the shilajit rock with the boiling temperature, with 100 degrees centigrade of the water. That’s why we take a lot of time for the shilajit’s aging because at 38 degrees centigrade, I have to literally keep that processing live for up to four to five days. Only then can we capture the extract of the shilajit.
Logan: Can you tell us a little bit more about that processing, what takes place there?
Jay: We take shilajit rocks. We put it in the water. That chamber is a vacuum chamber. At the vacuum chamber when you apply the vacuum at day 1, 38 degrees centigrade, water starts boiling. That is something called vacuum distillation. Shilajit rock with the appropriate amount of spring water gets combined under the vacuum. We start heating up up to 38 degrees centigrade. Once we see that the shilajit slurry has become perfectly homogenous, we stop boiling it, we take it out and then we filter the entire slurry through the cotton cloth to filter it. So we can remove the dirt of the shilajit, we can lower the heavy metal components in the shilajit. So our shilajit is a Prop 65 component shilajit. If you see the lead, you see the arsenic, you see the cadmium, you see the mercury and all of the heavy metals, you won’t find in our shilajit because we properly process it and the raw material itself makes a difference. If I am getting the proper raw material from the proper mountain sources, then I won’t have the issues.
Once it is done, once the slurry is the same then we vacuum dry it. We don’t even tray dry it or we don’t spray dry it because once you spray dry it, the temperature goes more than 100 degrees centigrade and then again the shilajit molecule will lose its crystalline structure. We do in the tray drying so that it again gets cooled down in a short span of time. It cools down in a longer period of time. So that it’s still the aging we are introducing it that at one time we are boiling at a certain temperature and we are cooling it down at the same speed and then that’s how we balance the ratio. That’s why our shilajit becomes unique in taste. It doesn’t have that acidic taste. It doesn’t have that. It has got multi D-structure out of the testing because that’s the nature shilajit’s made out of. That’s in brief, our manufacturing process of the powder shilajit.
As far as shilajit resin is concerned, we simply collect the resin from the waterlogging areas. We put it in the wooden grounds for 14 days so that the water gets settled down further. We take further more slurry and we simply rub it through the cotton cloth. We get it. We test it for the heavy metal classes and the shilajit resin is what you’re looking at. It’s naturally processed shilajit. We just filter it. That’s it.
Logan: Wow. So you mentioned the heavy metals and how some other shilajit products might have them but yours have been tested, it doesn’t have them and it depends on the original source.
Jay: Yes. Now we have manufactured more than 500 batches of shilajit in the last five years and not in a single batch have lead levels content gone more than 1 PPM.
Logan: Which is actually like a really low level. I’ve heard that the Prop 65 you spoke of is kind of unreasonable because just breathing the air out here gives you that much lead. Is it true that shilajit helps your body to detox heavy metals?
Jay: Yes. As I’ve said, the reason that shilajit is immortal, whatever causes mortality to the body, it removes that. That’s the basic fundamental logic of why shilajit detoxes, why shilajit removes the oxygen radicals, why shilajit removes unwanted substances from the body. It’s because that causes mortality to the body and shilajit is immortal so it cannot even stand with any kind of mortal radicals so that it removes it from the body. So in that process, your liver gets cleaned, your kidneys get cleaned, your spleen gets cleaned.
Logan: So in works on every organ in your body?
Jay: In your body.
Logan: Does it work energetically on the different chakras?
Jay: Yes. Basically, the shilajit’s action is basically on the cell energy. These are what are called the mitochondria where the protein synthesis happens. So shilajit directly acts on the mitochondria. Our body has more than 250,000 proteins, different proteins but it’s all about the proteins, different proteins. It actually biochemically corrects the protein synthesis and it prevents abnormal protein synthesis simultaneously. That’s why shilajit reaches through every cell in the body.
Logan: So it’s working on DNA?
Jay: It is working on the DNA. There’s a saying in Ayurveda that if one takes shilajit regularly early in the morning on an empty stomach for 12 years, they gain 12 more years.
Logan: I’ll put that to the test.
Jay: I personally have been taking shilajit for the last eight years regularly. I still have four more years to go of taking it but yes, it gives you immense energy. Especially in our modern world, in the metropolitan area when the evening comes, at 5:30, 6:00 when everybody feels low in energy, they’ll have fatigue of the body, they have this thing. But if one takes shilajit, that particular evening the fatigue syndrome never comes. So on the way, you are conscious. Your sense organs are conscious. Your knowledge processes are happening correctly. All these are the extra benefits of the shilajit at the mind level.
Logan: You mentioned taking it in the morning. First of all, how much do you recommend people take if they just want the basic dose that will add 12 years to their life? Secondly, is it just in the morning or can you take it any other time of the day?
Jay: Yes, you can take it any time of the day, depending on the condition one is undergoing. If one is diseased then yes, we have to give the shilajit two times or three times in the day. But the first dose has to be early in the morning on an empty stomach. That is compulsory. That has to be there. If one is having different various conditions like joint pains, the liver or any kind of physiologic condition so depending on the condition, the doctor or the medical doctor adjusts the dose of how much one should take.
But if it is a resin, we duly recommend up to a small bean-sized ball of the resin. It has to be put on the tongue early in the morning. It has to get dissolved on its own and then have a few sips of hot water so that it could dissolve. But once it starts dissolving in the oral mucosa, more than 50% of the shilajit is absorbed then and there from the oral mucosa so it typically goes in the blood. But for the rest of the day, you take it with the water.
I will also segregate the individual depending on their constitution or prakriti as we call it. Say if one is of the vata constitution then the shilajit has to be taken with oil. If one is of the pitta constitution, the shilajit has to be cooked with ghee like a crouton. If one is of kapha constitution, it has to go with the honey. There are various permutations and combinations out there but if one doesn’t know their constitution, for example, and they want to take the shilajit, they can just have the shilajit early in the morning on an empty stomach because it works faster.
If somebody skips the dose of the early morning shilajit, actually they’re saying that you have to put the shilajit in the body when the rising. So at sunrise time if one takes shilajit, that works super, ultimate. Now if one skips it in the morning then in the evening you see the moonrise time, at moonrise time if one takes shilajit that works in the night time because it follows the sun and moon cycle.
Logan: Interesting. You mentioned about the vata using oils. Is it sesame oil?
Jay: Yeah, it has to be sesame and that one, too, black sesame seed oil, not roasted. Whole-pressed, virgin black sesame oil.
Logan: I’m going to have to find some of that. What about with the powdered shilajit, would you take that in the same way?
Jay: Yeah, one also has to take the powdered shilajit also early in the morning on an empty stomach. Once somebody takes shilajit at 6:30 AM, just try not to have anything within half an hour. You can have your tea or whatever at 7:00 so give half an hour of time in between the shilajit-taking time and your breakfast or whatever you take.
Logan: Okay. What’s the dosage on that?
Jay: The shilajit powder dose really depends on various conditions but just to keep oneself healthy, one can take easily 1 to 1.5 grams every day divided into two to three different doses.
Logan: Can shilajit be used topically?
Jay: Yes, shilajit can be used topically, for example for some of the ulcers, for some of the skin wounds and all that. Shilajit then in that case has to be mixed either with ghee because if somebody wants to apply anything on the skin, it requires a lipid base so either it has to get with the oil or the ghee and then it works very good in a topical nature.
Logan: Earlier, you were talking about the different grades of shilajit with the iron, copper, silver and gold. Is your shilajit one specifically of those or a mixture of them?
Jay: Yeah, our shilajit is basically of two types. It’s a mixture of the gold shilajit and the copper shilajit.
Logan: And does having those elements in it, does it provide some unique benefits?
Jay: Yes, these are the stress minerals, what we call it in Ayurveda. These are present in the ultra-microgram level. But just the presence of that, just the presence of one particle in it creates of lot of structural and functional difference because it works like a catalyst. Though it’s very minimal in amount, it has tremendous functionality to it.
Logan: Let’s say someone is battling some sort of disease. They’re trying to overcome that using shilajit. Is there a specific protocol or is that really going to depend on what they’re—?
Jay: It really depends on the disease condition they have or length. There are 12 different timings of giving in Ayurveda for any medicine to take so that one has to evaluate daily. For example, arthritis and one has to take shilajit for arthritis. As per the Ayurveda, one has to take it immediately after meals. If one has to detoxify with the shilajit, then that shilajit has to be taken in between the meals like half a meal, then shilajit and then the rest of the meal. If one has to take the shilajit for kidney disorders or for some kind of urea nitrogen then the shilajit has to be taken 45 minutes before the meal. So it really depends on what condition one is in and what kind of other things again with the shilajit. So there are a lot of variable factors to it and we have to come up with the proper permutation and combination.
Logan: I imagine it would be used in combination with herbs that may be more specific towards that thing.
Logan: Can you take too much shilajit?
Jay: It’s like this. More is not always better as in Ayurveda. For the normal individual, I would say in terms of the adult, normally an adult, if one takes 1 gram of the powdered shilajit, that’s sufficient. If one is taking shilajit resin then 100 milligram of shilajit resin is sufficient just once a day because I will say that after that, you go on putting the shilajit inside of the body but still it won’t have any functionality. Yeah, you won’t cause any harm but it won’t give any added functionality also.
Logan: That’s good. You mentioned the different things people can take it with with the dosages. Is there anything else that is commonly taken with the shilajit, like I’ve read it used to always be mixed with milk? Is that true?
Jay: Yes, the shilajit resin is mixed with either of two milks. One is the pure Indian cow milk and the second is goat’s milk. So if one takes it with milk, what happens is that milk becomes a very solid media making the shilajit get immediately dispersed in the body. That is the fundamental of adding the milk because milk is such a thing described in Ayurveda that it reaches the seven different body tissues immediately at a time. To take advantage of that, that dispersability, shilajit is usually taken with milk. There are two ways. If you like the taste of the shilajit, you can add it in the milk. You just stir it and have it or you just put the shilajit in the mug and gulp it with warm, warm milk.
Logan: Is this something first thing in the morning or would this be recommended some other time of the day?
Jay: Yeah, this protocol is specifically for the morning. For the rest of the day, you can just have the shilajit in the afternoon or the evening time, depending on again the condition. Let’s say for example, it’s winter. In winter, you can take it three times a day but if it’s summer, two times a day. So there are a lot of variable factors, the time going, the space going, the area in which you are. If one is staying in Minnesota or some Midwest region where it’s really cold, if they take it four times a day they can sustain the weather. If one is staying in the California area or the drier areas there, four times is not recommended. So it really depends on various factors.
Logan: Shilajit has earned a couple of pretty awesome, in my opinion, nicknames, “the destroyer of weakness and conqueror of mountains.” Could you comment on those?
Jay: Yeah, that’s why it’s said it’s the destroyer of the weakness is again that it removes the disease because you get a weakness due to the disease. Whilst it removes the disease, it removes the weakness. “Conqueror of the mountain” is because it is in what? So both things at a time. Here is a very subtle and very scientific thing, that any herb, anything reached either or work, either it removes the disease foretelling you have a life or someone gives the life but doesn’t remove the disease. Well, shilajit is the only thing which uses both at the time. It removes the disease and it gives a life. That’s why there is the phrase, “destroyer of the weakness and conqueror of the mountain.”
Logan: I’ve heard it given another nickname, “Indian viagra.” Can you comment on that?
Jay: Yeah, actually one branch of Ayurveda is called vajikarana. Vajikarana branch is nothing but the lexicon of the various herbs, various herbs obtained which one can use as an aphrodisiac. But that aphrodisiac property in Ayurveda is perceived in a totally differently way. Aphrodisiac complete protocols are given in Ayurveda to give a solid progeny, to create good progeny and that as a human being is a biological duty also. We are human because we can reproduce. That’s why we are biologically humans. Second, that is the contribution to the society, giving good, healthy progeny. Shilajit is used to for this.
Meanwhile, essence has to be pursued in a totally positive way that is if one takes the shilajit, that will give the body to create solid, healthy progeny so the incidence of hereditary disorders, genetic disorders and the inborn metabolism disorders are less likely to happen if one is taking shilajit before the conception.
Logan: Are there any other methods of using shilajit? Can you feed it to your pet animals or would putting it in the soil or plants, would that help out?
Jay: Yes, that definitely helps but again we have to see which soil is there, which animal is there. There is a separate branch altogether in Ayurveda called vashu Ayurveda meaning Ayurveda related to animals. If I am to give shilajit to the elephant, it’s a different protocol. If I have to give it to the tiger, it’s different. If I have to give it to my puppy dog, it’s different. If I have to give it to a cat, it’s different. So it really depends on which animal you give it to. Yes, probably it can be given but we have to find the need that we really have to give. If we are to give, then which condition are we battling?
So there are only few things which we can generalize as far as shilajit is concerned. One, anybody who is six years old or whatever age, they can take shilajit. At least once a day early in the morning one has to take shilajit in any condition, whether it’s a healthy condition or the unhealthy condition.